Naz Shah suspended from Parliament for anti Jewish rants.

[Berberis]

Now the downtrodden and low paid workers are in the service sector, but because it's not well unionised and quite high turnover they don't know or don't want to put much effort into appealing to them.

 

Ever decreasing circles, but not due to their success, more to do with their inability to reach out to those they should be representing.

[Margarita Ma]

The header for this topic is typical of what generally happens in "News".

There is also a huge difference in Anti-Semitism and anti Expansionist-Zionism. Conflating one thing with another is a frequent mistake and also ploy used by parties with a vested interest in a subject.

Read with care labels should be attached to all material.

Listen with care labels should be issued to all those who ask questions(interviewers)

Speak with care labels should be given to all who speak on a subject.

 

Hitler did indeed advocate sending (all) Jews back to Palestine to re establish a Zionist state, this was not meant in a kindly way of aiding poor Jews to a better life but, as enforced deportation. Ken Livingstone is guilty of making a short cut through Hitler's proposals to offer a stark choice to German Jews it was (in my own interpretation) get out or we will get rid. I do believe that Hitler was indeed "Mad" as Livingstone said in the sense that having left home to find work he found destitution and had to resort to sleeping, with many other destitutes not in the gutter but in the sewers to avoid freezing to death. We know that there are noxious gasses produced in sewers, some of these may have had an effect on his brain(still developing as a young man) and also the apparent affluence of some contrasting with the privations of others has a deep psychological efect on anyone in their formative years. compare this to the appeal of IS to younger Muslims who feel isolated and deprived of the more luxurious items available to affluent people now.

[sutty27]

The header for this topic is typical of what generally happens in "News".

There is also a huge difference in Anti-Semitism and anti Expansionist-Zionism. Conflating one thing with another is a frequent mistake and also ploy used by parties with a vested interest in a subject.

Read with care labels should be attached to all material.

Listen with care labels should be issued to all those who ask questions(interviewers)

Speak with care labels should be given to all who speak on a subject.

 

Hitler did indeed advocate sending (all) Jews back to Palestine to re establish a Zionist state, this was not meant in a kindly way of aiding poor Jews to a better life but, as enforced deportation. Ken Livingstone is guilty of making a short cut through Hitler's proposals to offer a stark choice to German Jews it was (in my own interpretation) get out or we will get rid. I do believe that Hitler was indeed "Mad" as Livingstone said in the sense that having left home to find work he found destitution and had to resort to sleeping, with many other destitutes not in the gutter but in the sewers to avoid freezing to death. We know that there are noxious gasses produced in sewers, some of these may have had an effect on his brain(still developing as a young man) and also the apparent affluence of some contrasting with the privations of others has a deep psychological efect on anyone in their formative years. compare this to the appeal of IS to younger Muslims who feel isolated and deprived of the more luxurious items available to affluent people now.

 

That would be the Haavara agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.

[foxy lady]

The header for this topic is typical of what generally happens in "News".

There is also a huge difference in Anti-Semitism and anti Expansionist-Zionism. Conflating one thing with another is a frequent mistake and also ploy used by parties with a vested interest in a subject.

Read with care labels should be attached to all material.

Listen with care labels should be issued to all those who ask questions(interviewers)

Speak with care labels should be given to all who speak on a subject.

 

Hitler did indeed advocate sending (all) Jews back to Palestine to re establish a Zionist state, this was not meant in a kindly way of aiding poor Jews to a better life but, as enforced deportation. Ken Livingstone is guilty of making a short cut through Hitler's proposals to offer a stark choice to German Jews it was (in my own interpretation) get out or we will get rid. I do believe that Hitler was indeed "Mad" as Livingstone said in the sense that having left home to find work he found destitution and had to resort to sleeping, with many other destitutes not in the gutter but in the sewers to avoid freezing to death. We know that there are noxious gasses produced in sewers, some of these may have had an effect on his brain(still developing as a young man) and also the apparent affluence of some contrasting with the privations of others has a deep psychological efect on anyone in their formative years. compare this to the appeal of IS to younger Muslims who feel isolated and deprived of the more luxurious items available to affluent people now.

 

So what you are saying is Corbyn is such a mealy mouthed little weed he sacked an MP and an ex London Mayor, not because they were anti-semites, but because he was frightened of the newspapers.

[geared]

I do believe that Hitler was indeed "Mad" as Livingstone said in the sense that having left home to find work he found destitution and had to resort to sleeping, with many other destitutes not in the gutter but in the sewers to avoid freezing to death. We know that there are noxious gasses produced in sewers, some of these may have had an effect on his brain(still developing as a young man) and also the apparent affluence of some contrasting with the privations of others has a deep psychological efect on anyone in their formative years.

 

You'll probably find Hitlers time in the trenches, later substance abuse and apparent early-onset parkinsons had more to do with his mental state than the short time he was homeless (and living in homeless shelters)

 

Although the seeds on intolerance would have been sewn in Vienna as it was quite prolific at the time, and the general stance towards racism and such was much more casual back then as well.

[Margarita Ma]

So what you are saying is Corbyn is such a mealy mouthed little weed he sacked an MP and an ex London Mayor, not because they were anti-semites, but because he was frightened of the newspapers.

 

I have not heard that anyone had been sacked. I heard that two people had been suspended prior to an investigation. This is what I was saying about conflation of two different things Suspension is not Sacking.

[milquetoast1]

There is also a huge difference in Anti-Semitism and anti Expansionist-Zionism. Conflating one thing with another is a frequent mistake and also ploy used by parties with a vested interest in a subject.

 

So who's doing the conflating?

 

I put it to you that it's the anti-Semites that have done the conflating, hiding behind anti-Zionism to disguise their hatred of Jews.

 

How else do you explain the extreme emphasis over the various exaggerated misdemeanours committed by such a small state compared with all the other much bigger crimes committed by many other states?

 

I notice that nobody has attempted to answer my questions in #48, but let me apply Occams Razor and conclude that anti-Semitism is at the root of anti-Zionism.

 

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the appeal of IS to younger Muslims who feel isolated and deprived of the more luxurious items available to affluent people now.

 

The idea that Islamist terror is caused by poverty is patently false.

Edited April 30, 2016 by milquetoast1

[foxy lady]

I have not heard that anyone had been sacked. I heard that two people had been suspended prior to an investigation. This is what I was saying about conflation of two different things Suspension is not Sacking.

 

It just goes to show doesn't it.

Naz Shah sacked from her post as aide to the Shadow Chancellor and suspended from the party and taking part in any party duties.

 

---------- Post added 29-04-2016 at 14:36 ----------

 

So who's doing the conflating?

 

I put it to you that it's the anti-Semites that have done the conflating, hiding behind anti-Zionism to disguise their hatred of Jews.

 

How else do you explain the extreme emphasis over the various exaggerated misdemeanours committed by such a small state compared with all the other much bigger crimes committed by many other states?

 

I notice that nobody has attempted to answer my questions in #84, but let me apply Occams Razor and conclude that anti-Semitism is at the root of anti-Zionism.

 

---------- Post added 29-04-2016 at 14:33 ----------

 

 

The idea that Islamist terror is caused by poverty is patently false.

 

It would seem that anti-semitism is deep rooted in the party as are the appologists trying to make light of it and cover it up. They have clearly only uncovered the tip of the iceberg.

Edited April 29, 2016 by foxy lady

[geared]

Question is now do they try and sort it out internally, while publicly trying to show they're 'getting on with business'

 

or will it all descent into a massive public mud slinging session that'll dominate the papers for several weeks?

[blake]

 

Hitler did indeed advocate sending (all) Jews back to Palestine to re establish a Zionist state, this was not meant in a kindly way of aiding poor Jews to a better life but, as enforced deportation.

 

you haven't a clue what you're talking about, but don't worry about it, because you're in good company, and Ken Livingstone doesn't have a clue either.

 

I assume you are talking about the Haavara Agreement, which wasn't a Nazi policy or initiative at all, but a Zionist one - although it was a controversial one bitterly disagreed about by various factions in the Yishuv. Hitler wasn't even a particular fan of it, and he certainly didn't initiate it. And the German political figure most associated with the whole business, Werner Otto von Hentig, wasn't even a Nazi. To call the Haavara Agreement a 'Nazi policy' or even worse a 'Hitler policy' is just getting it wrong, which of course, Ken Livingstone does all the time.

 

perhaps like Livingstone, you also think that Adolf Hitler 'won' the election in 1932, when in actual fact Adolf Hitler never won an election in his life.