Cosmogenesis .

[JFKvsNixon]

It doesn't end in either model but life would end for all eternity in the big bang model because the universe dies and remains cold for the rest of time.

 

What is the suttyverse's fate?

[I1L2T3]

It doesn't end in either model but life would end for all eternity in the big bang model because the universe dies and remains cold for the rest of time.

 

Do you think it's worth investing in a new central heating system?

[JFKvsNixon]

What if he is right!

 

And puts Hawking and Kaku out of work, and onto Universal Credit?

 

Maybe the present government would force Hawking to work in a callcentre?

[sutty27]

What is the suttyverse's fate?

 

It lasts for ever in a cycle of everlasting change and there will always be life somewhere in its vastness.

 

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Do you think it's worth investing in a new central heating system?

 

Probably not, its going get very hot, I'd go for an air-conditioning if I was you.

[unbeliever]

So you say that quantum fluctuations created a universe including all the matter and energy, and that it will one day die an heat death but last for ever, expanding for all eternity into infinity and quantum fluctuation will never again create new matter in this universe, that begs the question how did it create it all out of the void that didn't exist, but can't create it out of the vacuum that does exist?

 

Maybe it can. But it creates an isolate bubble of curved space-time which would not be part of the universe from which it formed.

The expected time between cosmogenesis events within this universe given the probabilities, the size of the universe and the physics of vacuum fluctuations is 10^(10^(10^56)) years.

Still the first universe had to come from somewhere and that would be the void.

 

Its not logical to assume that Big Bang ended non existence and started an existence that will expand into infinity but with nothing else ever happening.

 

According to you.

 

Would you please have a look at this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...thermodynamics

Then come back and tell me how the suttyverse black holes get around it.

 

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If the universe does end soon will I be painfully and slowly ripped apart atom by atom, or painfully and slowly compressed into nothing, or just suddenly vanish in a split second?

 

You guys should be able to answer this. Sutty? Unbeliever?

 

There's no indication that it will. Assuming that you somehow survived for a billion years, you'd get fried when the sun goes into it's higher luminosity phase around that time.

If you managed to escape the Earth, you'd find it increasingly difficult to get an kind of useful energy to survive on. After 10^100 years it would become impossible as no sources of useful energy would be left.

 

As for the suttyverse, it would already be in thermodynamic equilibrium so setting aside the fact that you wouldn't have been born in the first place you'd have no way of getting any useful energy at all.

 

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What is the suttyverse's fate?

 

It would already be cold and dead.

Edited May 14, 2016 by unbeliever

[JFKvsNixon]

It lasts for ever in a cycle of everlasting change and there will always be life somewhere in its vastness.

 

Would the suttyverse get hotter or colder, more or less dense? Also is MrSmithlogic constant, or is it in a steady state of flux dependant upon the whims of it's creator?

[sutty27]

Maybe it can. But it creates an isolate bubble of curved space-time which would not be part of the universe from which it formed.

That would mean this universe might not have come out of the void, it might have been spawned by another universe, which in turn might have been spawned by the universe inside a universe, there could then be an infinite number of infinite universe each one having an infinite number of infinite universes inside them. If we could somehow get to the out edge of our expanding bubble what would stop us crossing the boundary between our universe and the universe that spawned us.

 

There could also be an expanding universe within our universe, and one inside that and one in that going through to infinity.

 

Still the first universe had to come from somewhere and that would be the void.

 

Just the one void, why not infinite voids spawning infinite universes each one spawning infinite universe.

[unbeliever]

That would mean this universe might not have come out of the void, it might have been spawned by another universe, which in turn might have been spawned by the universe inside a universe, there could then be an infinite number of infinite universe each one having an infinite number of infinite universes inside them. If we could somehow get to the out edge of our expanding bubble what would stop us crossing the boundary between our universe and the universe that spawned us.

 

There could also be an expanding universe within our universe, and one inside that and one in that going through to infinity.

 

 

We have our own space-time. There is no boundary in the way that you describe.

 

Not infinite. But potentially very large.

 

 

Just the one void, why not infinite voids spawning infinite universes each one spawning infinite universe.

 

That doesn't mean anything.

[sutty27]

Would the suttyverse get hotter or colder, more or less dense?

 

There would be infinite cold bits and infinite hot bits gong through continuous cycles of hot and cold for ever with no beginning and no end and density would vary through out the infinite universe.

[unbeliever]

There would be infinite cold bits and infinite hot bits gong through continuous cycles of hot and cold for ever with no beginning and no end.

 

That's not possible.

No process can decrease the entropy of a closed system.

 

Would you please have a look at this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...thermodynamics

Then come back and tell me how the suttyverse black holes get around it.