Cosmogenesis .

[sutty27]

Most of it flies off into deep space. Deep space is sparsely populated very little of it would get the chance to interact with anything.

 

But over infinite time it would eventually interact with something.

 

 

If your sphere allows the heat to escape, then yes.

And if the sphere didn't allow heat to escape the inside would continue to increase in temperature so no heat death.

 

 

High entropy is a lot of energy buzzing around in a state of disorder.

Sounds like the start of your finite universe.

 

A gas for example is a high entropy state of matter and a solid is low entropy.

 

And matter that is forced under intense gravitational forces to become Quark–gluon plasma would be high or low?

 

 

 

 

 

Black holes are very cold, yes. A block hole of 1 solar mass would be 60 billionths of a ºC above absolute zero. Larger ones are colder.

 

How do you know, heat can't escape so the internal temperature can't be measured, when a star is trapped in the gravitational force of a black hole what happens to the heat?

 

If and when the surroundings became colder than that, the black hole would evaporate producing more high entropy radiation.

 

What does that radiation do?

 

 

The very small number of matter and anti-matter particles emitted by the black hold would also be in a state of very high entropy and would be nowhere near enough to form fresh stars even if some process separated the anti-matter out.

 

What makes you think that, when no one else on earth knows?

 

 

What cause the universe to pop into existence?

 

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Then you threw away all the laws of physics as we understand them (which means as they best describe what we observe) in order to invent an entirely illogical explanation that doesn't explain what we observe.

 

The laws as we understand them is that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed but they can exchange places, an infinite universe with no beginning obeys these laws, a universe that began from nothing disobeys these laws.

 

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So you believe in only the things that you can understand? Which leads to the question how can you ever learn something new?

 

If you don't underrated that which you repeat you haven't leaned anything, how do you decide that something you are told is a fact?

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[unbeliever]

But over infinite time it would eventually interact with something.

 

 

This is why we call it thermodynamic equilibrium.

When the whole universe is at the same temperature, there is a continuous exchange of energy with no net effect.

If you put a lump of say rock at 20ºC in a room at 20ºC the rock will be continuously emitting radiation (mostly infra-red) and absorbing radiation (also infra-red) with no net effect on either the air in the room or on the rock.

Nothing useful can come of this, no "work" can be done.

 

And if the sphere didn't allow heat to escape the inside would continue to increase in temperature.

 

No, because the star has gone out and reached thermal equilibrium with the surroundings.

 

Sounds like the start of you finite universe.

 

 

Only because you don't understand it.

 

 

And matter that is forced under intense gravitational forces to become Quark–gluon plasma would be high or low?

 

 

Compared to what?

 

 

How do you know, heat can't escape so the internal temperature can't be measured, when a star is trapped in the gravitational force of a black hole what happens to the heat?

 

Heat is energy. Energy is mass. It adds to the mass of the black hole.

 

What does that radiation do?

Warms up space. The photons have insufficient energy to do anything else. Only a photon carrying move than 1.022 MeV of energy can pair-produce matter particles. Even then, they would be electrons and positrons. At still higher energy (~2GeV) you might get a proton out.

 

 

What makes you think that, when no one else on earth knows?

 

Even if it's not exactly Hawking radiation, the temperature of a black hole can be calculated in exactly the same way as the temperature of anything else. We may not know for certain how black holes emit the radiation associated with their temperature, but you can bet your life that they do.

 

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The laws as we understand them is that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed but they can exchange places, an infinite universe with no beginning obeys these laws, a universe that began from nothing disobeys these laws.

 

Wrong!

A universe where the gravitational potential energy exactly matches the sum of the other energy has zero total energy. Astronomical measurements indicate that this is the case. Conservation of energy raises no objection to big bang cosmogenesis.

The second law of thermodynamics on the other hand completely rules out the suttyverse.

[sutty27]

This is why we call it thermodynamic equilibrium.

When the whole universe is at the same temperature, there is a continuous exchange of energy with no net effect.

If you put a lump of say rock at 20ºC in a room at 20ºC the rock will be continuously emitting radiation (mostly infra-red) and absorbing radiation (also infra-red) with no net effect on either the air in the room or on the rock.

Nothing useful can come of this, no "work" can be done.

The whole universe can never become the same temperature, and the rocks still have gravity and motion.

 

No, because the star has gone out and reached thermal equilibrium with the surroundings.

It would continue to increase in temperature until all the fuel was used up at this point it wouldn't cool down it would remain hot, so no heat death.

 

Only because you don't understand it.

 

Then enlighten me where did all the matter and energy we can see come from?

 

 

 

 

Compared to what?

The vacuum that surrounds it.

 

 

 

Heat is energy. Energy is mass. It adds to the mass of the black hole.

So not lost then, big bang theory says the universe was hot and dense, it was made of the same stuff that should be found in a black hole, why is black hole cold but the start of the universe hot?

 

 

 

 

Warms up space. The photons have insufficient energy to do anything else.

Photons have mass and gravity affect them.

 

 

Get back to you later.

[unbeliever]

The whole universe can never become the same temperature, and the rocks still have gravity and motion.

 

It would continue to increase in temperature until all the fuel was used up at this point it wouldn't cool down it would remain hot, so no heat death.

 

 

That's what heat death is. Everything is at the same temperature. In this example that's quite a hight temperature, but that doesn't make any difference.

 

 

Then enlighten me where did all the matter and energy we can see come from?

 

 

 

 

The vacuum that surrounds it.

 

 

 

So not lost then, big bang theory says the universe was hot and dense, it was made of the same stuff that should be found in a black hole, why is black hole cold but the start of the universe hot?

 

 

 

 

Photons have mass and gravity affect them.

 

 

Get back to you later.

 

 

I've explained most of this multiple times already.

Most of the questions you have are explained on the wikipedia pages I've linked to and these are written for the layman.

 

Do you have some kind of pathological condition which prevents you from conceding?

[sutty27]

Heat is energy. Energy is mass. It adds to the mass of the black hole.

 

Warms up space. The photons have insufficient energy to do anything else. Only a photon carrying move than 1.022 MeV of energy can pair-produce matter particles. Even then, they would be electrons and positrons. At still higher energy (~2GeV) you might get a proton out.

 

So if space contracted all this mass would contract with it and become more dense.

 

 

Even if it's not exactly Hawking radiation, the temperature of a black hole can be calculated in exactly the same way as the temperature of anything else. We may not know for certain how black holes emit the radiation associated with their temperature, but you can bet your life that they do.

 

So you guessed then.

 

 

 

 

Wrong!

So matter and energy can be created then.

 

 

A universe where the gravitational potential energy exactly matches the sum of the other energy has zero total energy.

 

The universe will always have gravitational potential energy so it must allows have other energy.

 

 

 

 

Astronomical measurements indicate that this is the case. Conservation of energy raises no objection to big bang cosmogenesis.

 

No they don't they indicate that the universe we see today expanded from a very hot and very dense state, its an unfounded assumption on your part that before that state there was nothing at all.

 

 

The second law of thermodynamics on the other hand completely rules out the suttyverse.

 

No it doesn't.

 

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I've explained most of this multiple times already.

 

And each time your ideas fell short of an explanation and resulted in more question. You think you know for a fact that the universe had a beginning and you think an infinite universe with no beginning is impossible, but that opinion is based on your lack of knowledge and understanding.

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[unbeliever]

So if space contracted all this mass would contract with it and become more dense.

 

 

 

 

So you guessed then.

 

 

 

 

So matter and energy can be created then.

 

 

 

 

The universe will always have gravitational potential energy so it must allows have other energy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No they don't they indicate that the universe we see today expanded from a very hot and very dense state, its an unfounded assumption on your part that before that state there was nothing at all.

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't.

 

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And each time your ideas fell short of an explanation and resulted in more question. You think you know for a fact that the universe had a beginning and you think an infinite universe with no beginning is impossible, but that opinion is based on your lack of knowledge and understanding.

 

 

 

The universe will always have gravitational potential energy and the rest will be mostly if not entirely radiation.

 

How do you propose to make fresh stars out of radiation?

[sutty27]

The universe will always have gravitational potential energy and the rest will be mostly if not entirely radiation.

 

How do you propose to make fresh stars out of radiation?

 

It won't be mostly radiation so no need to make stars out of it.

[unbeliever]

It won't be mostly radiation so no need to make stars out of it.

 

Then the suttyverse will have no stars and will be dead.

QED.

 

Finally!

[sutty27]

Then the suttyverse will have no stars and will be dead.

QED.

 

Finally!

 

Of cause it will have new stars they just won't be made out of radiation.

[unbeliever]

Of cause it will have new stars they just won't be made out of radiation.

 

We've just established that the old stars get converted into radiation. As does anything which falls into a black hole. So where are you going to get material for new stars?