Cosmogenesis .

[sutty27]

Do you want to re-read your own post and then try again.

 

Nope I am happy with what I typed.

[unbeliever]

Nope I am happy with what I typed.

 

So 2 objects will not "remain separate", but neither will they "occupy the same space".

Will they also be both light and dark? Perhaps happy and sad. Dry and wet even.

[sutty27]

So 2 objects will not "remain separate", but neither will they "occupy the same space".

Will they also be both light and dark? Perhaps happy and sad. Dry and wet even.

 

That's right they will be together but not occupying the same space. eg.

2 water molecules can be together, not separate but each water molecule still occupied a different point in space, they can't occupy the same point in space.

[unbeliever]

That's right they will be together but not occupying the same space. eg.

2 water molecules can be together, not separate but each water molecule still occupied a different point in space, they can't occupy the same point in space.

 

2 water molecules are together but not squished to a point because there is a force puling them together and a force pushing them apart which at a certain distance is in balance.

No force can balance gravity inside the event horizon because the space-time curvature is infinite.

Also, as I pointed out earlier, if that were the case in black holes, then the star S2 would hit the black hole Sag A as it orbits it, which it clearly doesn't.

 

If you're hypothesising a new super-dense state of matter, more dense than quark matter, then it should be possible to devise an experiment to create this sutty-matter. So all you have to do is tel me what centre of mass collider energy is needed to create it.

[sutty27]

2 water molecules are together but not squished to a point because there is a force puling them together and a force pushing them apart which at a certain distance is in balance.

No force can balance gravity inside the event horizon because the space-time curvature is infinite.

Also, as I pointed out earlier, if that were the case in black holes, then the star S2 would hit the black hole Sag A as it orbits it, which it clearly doesn't.

 

If you're hypothesising a new super-dense state of matter, more dense than quark matter, then it should be possible to devise an experiment to create this sutty-matter. So all you have to do is tel me what centre of mass collider energy is needed to create it.

 

Its your suggestion, you are the one claiming that quarks will increase in density until they all occupy the same point in space so an infinite number of quarks will be no larger than 1 quark.

[unbeliever]

Its your suggestion, you are the one claiming that quarks will increase in density until they all occupy the same point in space so an infinite number of quarks will be no larger than 1 quark.

 

No it's not. The highest density state of matter is quark matter. Once the force is too great to hold quark matter apart it must collapse.

You're suggesting that somehow it won't collapse. How is it to be prevented from collapsing?

[sutty27]

No it's not. The highest density state of matter is quark matter. Once the force is too great to hold quark matter apart it must collapse.

You're suggesting that somehow it won't collapse. How is it to be prevented from collapsing?

 

What makes you think that quark matter can collapse?

But assuming it can it would be matter of even grater density, maybe preon matter.

[unbeliever]

What makes you think that quark matter can collapse?

But assuming it can it would be matter of even grater density, maybe preon matter.

 

 

I'll try again.

Matter is whatever state when held in a gravitational field is prevented from collapsing by forces holding it apart.

Atoms in normal matter are held apart by electrostatic repulsion. When this is overcome, they fuse into heavier elements.

The electrons around the nucleus in an atom are held apart the protons by degeneracy pressure. When this is overcome you get neutron star matter.

If there is a source of heat, e.g. nuclear fusion in a star, thermal pressure helps.

All these effects have limits and eventually give way.

 

In order to hold back the pressure in a black hole, you need a matching force to resist it. Because the space-time curvature inside a black hole is infinite, no force conceivable which remotely follows the rules of other forces could resist it.

You seem to be proposing that there is some kind of force, not obeying the rules of other forces, holding some kind of matter particles apart and preventing total collapse. What is it?

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[sutty27]

I'll try again.

Matter is whatever state when held in a gravitational field is prevented from collapsing by forces holding it apart.

Atoms in normal matter are held apart by electrostatic repulsion. When this is overcome, they fuse into heavier elements.

The electrons around the nucleus in an atom are held apart the protons by degeneracy pressure. When this is overcome you get neutron star matter.

If there is a source of heat, e.g. nuclear fusion in a star, thermal pressure helps.

All these effects have limits and eventually give way.

 

In order to hold back the pressure in a black hole, you need a matching force to resist it. Because the space-time curvature inside a black hole is infinite, no force conceivable which remotely follows the rules of other forces could resist it.

You seem to be proposing that there is some kind of force, not obeying the rules of other forces, holding some kind of matter particles apart and preventing total collapse. What is it?

 

Unless the gravitational force of a blackhole is lower than you believe it to be.

[unbeliever]

Unless the gravitational force of a blackhole is lower than you believe it to be.

 

Then light could escape it and it wouldn't be a black hole.

We've been through this already.