Tomjames Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Okay, so you're just going to act the fool. Why not just accept that you were wrong on all counts? Being wrong isn't a bad thing, it's a chance to learn. You asked me to pick a year?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I also asked you to respond to post #448, but you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon1 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The oracle knows all. This is not helping me dude!! How do'u know that price o petrol ain't goin up????? Or not up to 140 at any road???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 This is not helping me dude!! How do'u know that price o petrol ain't goin up????? Or not up to 140 at any road???? It's not going up very soon... http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/Crude_Oil_Brent/CB?search=CB* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon1 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It's not going up very soon... http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/Crude_Oil_Brent/CB?search=CB* This means nuffink to me Ron Break it down for me lad... What's thaa knaar that I dunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 This is not helping me dude!! How do'u know that price o petrol ain't goin up????? Or not up to 140 at any road???? Market analyst say it won't go up that high this year. Obviously it has to go up eventually. ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 00:40 ---------- I also asked you to respond to post #448, but you didn't. My response is we are better off at any time post 2007. And better off at many points previous to that. There was 20% interest in late 1970s and late 1980s. Wages are recovering, interest rates are low and income tax is low. Not all thanks to the conservatives I should add. ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 00:42 ---------- Oh and fuel is low relative to wages. The 40p differential is pertinent as I know many long mile drivers are saving a packet. That's money in the hand. Your shadow tax argument making everyone poor is drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 So you're going to ignore the data I provided to you then? That shows real income falling from 2009. Do you even know know how much fuel costs today? There is no 40p differential. Fuel has never cost 40p more than today, why do you persist in this nonsense. At best it's 30p cheaper today than at it's peak. But other things cost more, that's what CPI measures, the overall level of inflation, and it's low, but it's not negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 http://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time This graph shows its not far off for diesel. In fact as recently as February it was 101ppl and previously at a high of 148ppl. It's about 109 at the moment iirc so 39 ppl difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) http://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time This graph shows its not far off for diesel. In fact as recently as February it was 101ppl and previously at a high of 148ppl. It's about 109 at the moment iirc so 39 ppl difference. It's also entirely irrelevant, I'm sure we could pick the price of something else that has gone up, it still wouldn't matter. If we want to consider the cost of buying things, then CPI is the index to look at, and it's running at what, 0.3%/annum, a small increase in overall prices, this is after taking into account the fall in price of fuel and the increase in price of other things. The cost of living is NOT falling. Real take home income is not increasing. ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 10:22 ---------- http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/household-income/the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income/50-years-of-the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-analysis/sty-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income.html Scroll down to figure 2. See how gross income started to fall after 2009. ---------- Post added 13-06-2016 at 13:05 ---------- And here, the ONS analysis http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/nowcastinghouseholdincomeintheuk/2015-10-28 retired households now slightly better off than before the 07-09 crash. working households still worse off than before the crash. Overall, the average is just about level with the pre crash figures. Edited June 17, 2016 by Cyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 http://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time This graph shows its not far off for diesel. In fact as recently as February it was 101ppl and previously at a high of 148ppl. It's about 109 at the moment iirc so 39 ppl difference. Thanks Ron.Talk some sense into him will you? ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 11:15 ---------- Know for a fact, typical mondeo man is better off. He has more money in his pocket for his family and better earning potential. Post gfc. We could argue the poor and welfare claimants are worse off as all that stuffs been frozen. ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 11:19 ---------- It's also entirely irrelevant, I'm sure we could pick the price of something else that has gone up, it still wouldn't matter. If we want to consider the cost of buying things, then CPI is the index to look at, and it's running at what, 0.3%/annum, a small increase in overall prices, this is after taking into account the fall in price of fuel and the increase in price of other things. The cost of living is NOT falling. Real take home income is not increasing. ---------- Post added 17-06-2016 at 10:22 ---------- http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/household-income/the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income/50-years-of-the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-analysis/sty-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income.html Scroll down to figure 2. See how gross income started to fall after 2009. ---------- Post added 13-06-2016 at 13:05 ---------- And here, the ONS analysis http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/nowcastinghouseholdincomeintheuk/2015-10-28 retired households now slightly better off than before the 07-09 crash. working households still worse off than before the crash. Overall, the average is just about level with the pre crash figures. The cost of living is falling. Food in the supermarket is as cheap as its ever been or feels like it. More money in my pocket anyway. You were talking about moving to Vancouver the other day cyclone, you can't be hard up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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