Futures Red Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I think you're right in the sense that everyone is different, and at different points in our lives we are more resilient than at other points. However I do know that there are more 'objective' criteria by which a doctor can establish if someone is depressed. Whether or not that is adequate is perhaps a different question. Yes true, the general rule of thumb is that if you consider yourself to have a substantial low mood and it's effecting your life after two weeks, ie not eating properly, sleeping, weight loss/gain, not socialising... anything out of your normal daily function, then it could be considered as depression. In more serious cases it's called a major depressive episode. Adequate... I think it depends on the situation. Hence it can't be a one glove fits all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Is feeling down not just depression though? No. As has been explained, depression has a number of symptoms, just feeling down doesn't meet the criteria on it's own. If it's persistent then it might. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:01 ---------- Well I'm not going to say on a public forum. But let me say this. Mental whilst people are becoming more aware, the system is failing more. That's irrefutable. The problem with mental health is that people suddenly become black and white and whilst you can say it is medical, it needs to be treated differently. You can't treat everyone the same for a start and black and white thinking towards mental health only leads to a brick wall and ultimately failure. Did we start discussing treatment options and I missed it somewhere? ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:02 ---------- I think depression isn't or shouldn't be a static meaning. Then it becomes entirely pointless and useless as a diagnoses for a condition. Words have to have defined meanings, particularly within a medical context, and depression has a very well defined, and static, meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 No. As has been explained, depression has a number of symptoms, just feeling down doesn't meet the criteria on it's own. If it's persistent then it might. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:01 ---------- Did we start discussing treatment options and I missed it somewhere? ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:02 ---------- Then it becomes entirely pointless and useless as a diagnoses for a condition. Words have to have defined meanings, particularly within a medical context, and depression has a very well defined, and static, meaning. How can you be so sure? If someone feels down they are in a depressive state. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 18:29 ---------- Or in other words they are not neurotransmitting feel good chemicals! ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 18:37 ---------- Look up "dysthymia" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futures Red Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 No. As has been explained, depression has a number of symptoms, just feeling down doesn't meet the criteria on it's own. If it's persistent then it might. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:01 ---------- Did we start discussing treatment options and I missed it somewhere? ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 17:02 ---------- Then it becomes entirely pointless and useless as a diagnoses for a condition. Words have to have defined meanings, particularly within a medical context, and depression has a very well defined, and static, meaning. Yes your right words do define meaning and used for a diagnosis of a condition, I was talking in general terms not literally. Meaning that a person with "depression" whilst might be defined for a specific diagnosis, they also need to know that it's not a static condition and can come out of depression. This is very important for obvious reasons. That's what I was meaning. In terms of real life transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Nobody suggested that it was a permanent condition. You're just flailing now. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 19:24 ---------- How can you be so sure? If someone feels down they are in a depressive state. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 18:29 ---------- Or in other words they are not neurotransmitting feel good chemicals! ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 18:37 ---------- Look up "dysthymia" Depression is a specific medical diagnosis. You are trivialising it by claiming that it just means "feeling a bit down" which is something that affects everyone now and again when bad things happen. I've quoted the medical explanations for them, what more do you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Nobody suggested that it was a permanent condition. You're just flailing now. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 19:24 ---------- Depression is a specific medical diagnosis. You are trivialising it by claiming that it just means "feeling a bit down" which is something that affects everyone now and again when bad things happen. I've quoted the medical explanations for them, what more do you need? Look up Dysthymia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I looked it up the first time. What's your point? You know what I saw that you're ignoring. The word "persistent" in the explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futures Red Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Nobody suggested that it was a permanent condition. You're just flailing now. ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 19:24 ---------- Depression is a specific medical diagnosis. You are trivialising it by claiming that it just means "feeling a bit down" which is something that affects everyone now and again when bad things happen. I've quoted the medical explanations for them, what more do you need? Another man in the mirror moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Another man in the mirror moment. I'm talking to the man in the mirror, I'm asking him to change his waaaays ---------- Post added 25-05-2016 at 22:41 ---------- I looked it up the first time. What's your point? You know what I saw that you're ignoring. The word "persistent" in the explanation. You're just wrong from day zip to now. Admit you are a silly man and we can all move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) I'm wrong, google is wrong, the only thing that is correct is your 2nd hand, misunderstood anecdote. Nah, only joking. You're wrong. I don't actually understand why you wish to define something that is an entirely normal emotional response as a medical condition. Why do you think this would be correct or helpful? Here, look more closely at this dysthymia dɪsˈθʌɪmɪə/ noun persistent mild depression. PERSISTENT. Not, feeling down, because something bad happened, which as we all know is entirely normal. Edited May 26, 2016 by Cyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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