Blanket ban on 'Legal highs' enforced today.

[El Cid]

Which means if they do want to get hold of it, they have to go to greater, riskier, more expensive lengths. Hardly a benefit.

 

 

You mean the kid at school, making thing illegal does not work, unless you lock em up and throw away the key.

Drugs are available all over the place, any drug, legal or illegal.

[Cyclone]

There's also a benefit, children and people with less control than you will also find it more difficult to get hold of.

 

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They find that legalization increased both marijuana use and marijuana abuse/dependence in people 21 or older.

 

http://www.nber.org/digest/oct14/img/ConsequencesMedicalMarijuanaLaws_spot.jpg

 

But not in the population as a whole. You can't just cherry pick the data you want, sorry.

[sutty27]

And so also turn to something more harmful already widely available on the street. There is no benefit.

 

And what's so bad about cannabis dependence compared with any other dependence? Far less harmful than say prescribed anti depressants.

In fact the benefits and healing potential of cannabis far outweigh any damage potential especially if not smoked and prepared accordingly.

 

They won't all turn to something else, the harder it is for kids to get their hands on drugs and booze the better their life will be.

 

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Which means if they do want to get hold of it, they have to go to greater, riskier, more expensive lengths. Hardly a benefit.

 

Or, alternatively, once it's legalised more existing users finally admit to using it.

 

It benefits the people that don't go to greater, riskier, more expensive lengths.

 

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But not in the population as a whole. You can't just cherry pick the data you want, sorry.

 

Its not cherry picked date. Legalisation increased consumption.

[RootsBooster]

You mean the kid at school, making thing illegal does not work, unless you lock em up and throw away the key.

Drugs are available all over the place, any drug, legal or illegal.

yeah .

 

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It benefits the people that don't go to greater, riskier, more expensive lengths.

How does it benefit them?

[sutty27]

yeah .

 

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How does it benefit them?

 

The health benefits of not taking drugs are well documented.

[Cyclone]

The health benefits of not taking drugs are well documented.

 

Lots of drugs have health benefits.

 

People who are T-total (ie no alcohol) have higher long term mortality than those who drink moderately.

Caffeine has protective effects against a whole variety of cancers...

 

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Its not cherry picked date. Legalisation increased consumption.

 

No it didn't. I already posted the data. You've had to cherry pick a specific age group to make your claim.

Overall the usage trend didn't change in the slightest. You're prepared to lie to further your agenda (whatever that is, you haven't actually explained).

 

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It benefits the people that don't go to greater, riskier, more expensive lengths.

 

It's to the detriment of everyone in society.

Acquisitive crime increases.

Police spend increases.

People are criminalised for no good reason.

Money is fuelled to gangs and supposedly terrorists.

And drug users face increased risk of harm because they can't buy a controlled, safely manufactured product.

[sutty27]

Lots of drugs have health benefits.

Which banned drugs have these wonderful health benefits.

 

 

No it didn't. I already posted the data.

 

And I posted the data which shows your cherry picked data to be wrong.

 

It's to the detriment of everyone in society.

Acquisitive crime increases.

Police spend increases.

People are criminalised for no good reason.

Money is fuelled to gangs and supposedly terrorists.

And drug users face increased risk of harm because they can't buy a controlled, safely manufactured product.

 

Wrong,

Wrong

We could eliminate police spending by making everything legal, not sure that would be a good idea though.

Don't do the crime and you won't be criminalised.

Criminals and terrorists will allows find a way to make money, many do it by counterfeiting legal goods.

But there will be fewer drug users so lower consumption and less harm.

[Starbud]

The onus is on you to prove it safe with your claims above. However

 

http://ispub.com/IJH/9/2/10959 - fatalities mentions in Turkey and Gaza

 

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196064498700770

 

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=363272

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20196932

 

https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/160427

 

Even if those are genuine cases it is evident becoming ill from eating apricot seeds is extremely rare. Hardly the deadly substance you make it out to be.

 

You realise that you are actually committing a crime by making unsubstantiated and probably false claims about the ability of a substance to cure cancer?

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/2-3/13/section/4

 

Many people that have used natural cancer cures have been persecuted for it.

[Phanerothyme]

The law is insane. You can get 14 years in prison for having a cannabis plant growing under your bird feeder, but you fall completely outside the law with two bin liners full of Naphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)methanone in your garage.

 

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Don't do the crime and you won't be criminalised.

 

Just on this point, the number of people using drugs other than the most common of alcohol, nicotine, caffeine & theobromine, remains fairly constant, by most measures, at about 10%. Regardless of the legal restrictions or schedule of punishment in place.

 

The question is, how do you deal with that 10%?

 

Do you try and (hopefully) drive the figure down by criminalising use and possession?

 

Or do you simply minimise the harm that comes of drug use, in the same way we try to minimise the harms everywhere else (road safety, air pollution, cigarette and alcohol regulation)?

 

The biggest problem with drugs is that they cause psychosis in the people that don't use them.

 

---------- Post added 28-05-2016 at 00:24 ----------

 

Lots of drugs have health benefits.

 

People who are T-total (ie no alcohol) have higher long term mortality than those who drink moderately.

Caffeine has protective effects against a whole variety of cancers...

 

Nicotine appears to have a prophylactic effect against Parkinsonism and Alzheimers Disease.

 

And cannabis, well …

Edited May 27, 2016 by Phanerothyme

[sutty27]

Just on this point, the number of people using drugs other than the most common of alcohol, nicotine, caffeine & theobromine, remains fairly constant, by most measures, at about 10%. Regardless of the legal restrictions or schedule of punishment in place.

 

The question is, how do you deal with that 10%?

 

Do you try and (hopefully) drive the figure down by criminalising use and possession?

 

Or do you simply minimise the harm that comes of drug use, in the same way we try to minimise the harms everywhere else (road safety, air pollution, cigarette and alcohol regulation)?

 

 

No you criminalise the production and distribution, and provide treatment for users.

 

If you are caught producing or supplying you are prosecuted and the punishment should be proportional to the amount and quality. Lots of dirty stuff gets a larger sentence than a smaller amount of clean stuff, punishments range from fines, community service through to prison.

 

 

If you are caught committing a crime whilst high on drugs the punishment should be doubled with compulsory drug rehabilitation.

 

If you are caught with drugs in your system or just enough for your personal use, but you haven't committed any other crime, you just pay tax on the amount found, lets say 1000% of street value, or you can choose to pay for and attend a drug rehab centre. No criminal record.