Do 'non jobs' exist?

[sutty27]

The number of bureaucrats working for the European Union is nearly double the number of soldiers in the British army.

 

 

There must a few non jobs amongst that lot.

 

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It is already the parents responsibility. Some parents need a bit of educating themselves about their responsibilities, as in some walks of life that responsibility about making their kids attend school is not always well understood or respected. Reaching out to people is a good use of money.

 

Not everything is always perfect and simplistic.

 

Forcing kids to attend school is poor use of public money, you can bet the ones causing all the disruption in class are the kids that don't want to be there.

[Shef1985]

you can bet the ones causing all the disruption in class are the kids that don't want to be there.

 

Very true.

 

But then those kids might grow up uneducated and struggle to find work or end up in low paid jobs etc with lots of in work benefits.

 

So....try and get them in school early. 11 years encouraging them to engage in education vs. a working lifetime on benefits.

 

How chronic is wagging it these days?

Edited June 4, 2016 by Shef1985

[Tomjames]

John Ransford, chief executive of the Local Government Association, said:

"Councils are responsible for providing 800 different services, and many of the posts often denigrated as 'non-jobs' reflect a lack of understanding about the complex nature of the vital work local authorities do."

 

Councils do need climate change co-ordinators, equality officers and the like, because they have targets.

 

No they don't exist.

Remember people need jobs to spend in the economy.

 

There might be too many middle management jobs that can't be justified though.

[I1L2T3]

The real debate here is about whether things should be done by the public sector or the private sector.

 

A public sector non-job it seems can magically become a proper job if it is transferred to the private sector. It doesn't seem to matter if it is still funded by taxpayer money, that simple transfer to the private sector legitimises it. It doesn't matter how unproductive the job is as long as it is a private sector job, even if the public are on the hook for funding it. A4E anyone?

[sutty27]

Very true.

 

But then those kids might grow up uneducated and struggle to find work or end up in low paid jobs etc with lots of in work benefits.

 

So....try and get them in school early. 11 years encouraging them to engage in education vs. a working lifetime on benefits.

 

How chronic is wagging it these days?

 

There are millions of low paid low skilled jobs and someone as to do them, so leaving school without a good education or not even attending school doesn't mean they can't still be productive members of society, they will have an opportunity in later life to study if they regret their childhood choices.

[Shef1985]

There are millions of low paid low skilled jobs and someone as to do them, so leaving school without a good education or not even attending school doesn't mean they can't still be productive members of society, they will have an opportunity in later life to study if they regret their childhood choices.

 

I agree. There are many kids that flat out refuse school and will go on to be very productive members of society despite having zero qualifications.

 

There are also kids that do not attend school because they are being bullied. I don't think it's a waste of public funds to try and help those kids back into school.

 

There are disruptive kids that attend school every single day. They like being disruptive. Schools should be able to kick them out, which is very difficult now. But once kicked out they move on to another school anyway. What can you do with those?

 

So, do I think it's a waste of public money to get kids to attend? Sometimes. But no, not always.

[Fogey]

John Ransford, chief executive of the Local Government Association, said:

"Councils are responsible for providing 800 different services, and many of the posts often denigrated as 'non-jobs' reflect a lack of understanding about the complex nature of the vital work local authorities do."

 

Councils do need climate change co-ordinators, equality officers and the like, because they have targets.

 

Used to work for a council, and, yes there was a green issues officer. What he actually did was constantly evaluate buildings, land, housing stock, e.t.c. Looking for ways to reduce the environmental impact then identify funding streams, apply for grants, e.t.c. to get works carried out resulting in improving sites, buildings and localities. His work resulted in funding being secured for large scale council housing improvements, lots of improvements to various office buildings creating some massive revenue budget savings, improving community buildings and sites and generally making the world a better place.

[El Cid]

His work resulted in funding being secured for large scale council housing improvements, lots of improvements to various office buildings creating some massive revenue budget savings, improving community buildings and sites and generally making the world a better place.

 

Topic closed then?

 

Non-jobs do not exist.

[Berberis]

I suppose 'non-jobs' are referred to today as waste, but councils who create the non-jobs are tasked with reducing the waste. Most of which is in management. When management is asked to cut waste they look to anywhere except them to make the saving, thus services are cut instead of getting rid of the real problem.

 

I worked in the public sector for a time and there were non-jobs or people who did nothing all day every day and got paid a great deal.

[I1L2T3]

I suppose 'non-jobs' are referred to today as waste, but councils who create the non-jobs are tasked with reducing the waste. Most of which is in management. When management is asked to cut waste they look to anywhere except them to make the saving, thus services are cut instead of getting rid of the real problem.

 

I worked in the public sector for a time and there were non-jobs or people who did nothing all day every day and got paid a great deal.

 

The same thing happens in the private sector as well