In-Out vote: Has anyone changed their mind since the campaign started?

[Harrystottle]

How about when Ford Transit production was closed down in Southampton and transferred to Turkey?

[Shef1985]

How about when Ford Transit production was closed down in Southampton and transferred to Turkey?

 

How about Ford what? An American company moving a factory to reduce its costs?

 

Here is what one worker had to say though, since you asked.

 

"Mark Radcliffe, who has worked at the factory for nine years, will continue to work for Ford at its new site in Bridgend, despite being "Southampton born and bred".

 

He said: "It's a quite eerie feeling, it's all very quiet. It's like a ghost town in there now.

 

"It's the end of an era, but the future is bright for some and Ford will continue and I'm looking forward to the future with Ford Motor Company."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322

[convert]

From Autocar. It was a simple business decision.

 

"(Ryton) has always been an anomaly among Peugeot’s plants. It is not big enough to be truly economic, and expansion of the Ryton site is prevented by the major roads that run either side of it. Shipping parts in from France – including body panels and powertrains – is expensive, especially when they must cross the Channel, making a Ryton-built 206 £287 more expensive to build than a Poissy-made example."

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analysis-why-ryton-closing

 

Thanks for the link. Any idea when that was published?

 

Would you like to answer my questions re the EU grants given, perhaps without them the decision may not have been so simple?

[unbeliever]

But we can make very good sugar and flour, we can't do it as cheaply as some countries though because we care about quality, employment right, and the environment, that doesn't mean we should buy it from them though.

 

There are many other factors in play.

 

Free trade make everybody more efficient and increases everybody's standard of living. It also prevents wars.

Even if we confine ourselves to trading with the first world where there are employment rights etc. We're still better off than the PDRK approach.

 

Anyway, as I say, we can have this out after Brexit. When the country can finally make these decisions for itself.

[panzer1]

Yes transits built in that great eu nation turkey and apparently set up using eu funds. Reformed eu where's that then

Concessions, emergency brake withholding access to benefits, where does the slide start from 20 50 or 80 per cent why won,t slime ball,Cameron say.

No still not changed my mind but admit to being worried.

[Shef1985]

Yes transits built in that great eu nation turkey and apparently set up using eu funds. Reformed eu where's that then

Concessions, emergency brake withholding access to benefits, where does the slide start from 20 50 or 80 per cent why won,t slime ball,Cameron say.

No still not changed my mind but admit to being worried.

 

Ford is an American Company. They built a new factory for other vehicles at Bridgend anyway!

 

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Thanks for the link. Any idea when that was published?

 

Would you like to answer my questions re the EU grants given, perhaps without them the decision may not have been so simple?

 

I have no idea when it was published, sorry, but one can assume it was around about the time Ryton closed.

 

In relation to your other question, here is a BBC article rejecting the notion that the EU gave any money for the plant to be built.

 

Of course a UKIP MEP disagrees but oh well, he's quite clearly wrong.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/4936696.stm

[L00b]

Would you like to answer my questions re the EU grants given, perhaps without them the decision may not have been so simple?

Grants were given to develop road/rail/air infrastructure in the area, same as the EU does in all other underdeveloped areas of member states (such as Wales in the UK).

 

No EU grants were given to KIA, PSA, VW or any other car manufacturer, and of course the EU capped the national grants which Slovakia itself could offer to them ('investment incentive limit' of 15%), same as the EU does for any other country (to prevent inter-member subsidy-based dumping).

 

 

EDIT: After a Brexit, it will be up to No.10 and No.11 to continue the ERDF-like infrastructural spending across the UK. Whether they will or not, in full or not...just ask your crystal ball.

 

No.10 and No.11 will not be beholden to EU legislation about state aid in any way, so they'll be to roll out a solid gold welcome mat to foreign investors as well. I'm not really sure what they would be financing it with, considering the current state of the UK's public finances, but...again, just ask your crystal ball.

Edited June 7, 2016 by L00b

[Tomjames]

Why? ...........................

 

Put it this way, brits dont go for spains amazing welfare state do we?

[panzer1]

I still think the eu will do everything it can to stop us going including offering a better deal and yes I know the eu and Cameron say this will not happen.

[Tomjames]

I'm saying you have quoted an article, word for word, from one source and not read others that question quite how Brexit would save British steel and quite how the EU is responsible for its failure.

 

I quote, from the Guardian article I posted above (notice how I reference a source there)

 

"But has the EU actually helped the steel industry?

 

....the EU helps to protect the British steel industry from retaliation in the event of higher tariffs being introduced and it has the power to slow the flow of Chinese imports. Labour agrees, but claims the government is trying to use the EU to hide its inaction over the crisis. Angela Eagle, the Labour business spokeswoman, has questioned why the government supports handing China market economy status within the WTO, which would severely limit the ability to introduce new tariffs. “Granting market economy status to China in the absence of important safeguards would significantly diminish the capacity of the European Union to guard against Chinese dumping and it has the potential to destroy the UK industry,” she told parliament last month. In addition, other problems facing the steel industry, such as energy prices and business rates, are issues specific to the UK."

 

2 sources actually. and could cite countless others which all say the same thing.

UK is powerless to stop the steel industry imploding due to EU regulation.