In-Out vote: Has anyone changed their mind since the campaign started?

[PeteMorris]

A few say this on the TV debates. What facts and figures can the OUT really provide? The IN is pretty much the status quo, so they can just quote what goes on now.

 

That's why I think the debates don't really go anywhere.

 

One of the issues I see is that the 'IN' campaign complain that the Brexit side don't have any plans on what happens after Brexit, yet when someone put forward ideas about post Brext the other day, they were immediately accused of producing a political manifesto. They can't have it both ways.

 

As you say, it's a pointless argument, as the current government can't forecast a few months ahead, let alone years ahead, so it's basically guesswork.

[truman]

One of the issues I see is that the 'IN' campaign complain that the Brexit side don't have any plans on what happens after Brexit, yet when someone put forward ideas about post Brext the other day, they were immediately accused of producing a political manifesto. They can't have it both ways.

 

As you say, it's a pointless argument, as the current government can't forecast a few months ahead, let alone years ahead, so it's basically guesswork.

 

One of the problems is that the debate isn't split across party lines..if we vote "out" then how can we be sure that the "campaign promises" made by the exiters will be fulfilled? eg. how do we know the money they say we will save will be put to improving the public services rather than be used to lower the deficit etc.etc.

[Glennis]

Zero Hour contracts are absolutely nothing to do with the EU. They were invented in the UK and only came of prevalence when the UK clamped down on the black jobs market in the 90s. Other European countries have followed with their use.

 

Zero hour contracts are great for, for instance, the hospitality industry, where coverage can be given to weddings and other events. Where there were an issue was where some companies (there was one large sports retail provider who received particular publicity) inserted exclusivity clauses meaning that you were not allowed to work for anyone else, irrespective of the number of hours you were given. These clauses were outlawed by the Government at the beginning of this year.

 

Your employment rights are identical if you are on a zero hour contract or any other sort of Contract of Employment. Your protected rights only come into effect after two years service, something that was changed by the coalition Government not the EU.

 

I think it may be worth reading the EU referendum thread - there is lots of explanation on there as to why leaving the EU will have little impact on immigration - indeed it could possibly be made worse.

 

I am not saying zero hour contracts are anything to do with the EU

but, this issue illustrates how business is able to respond to and get around existing EU laws to some extent

[Tomjames]

I thought I would be voting with remain, but now think I will be voting for Brexit. I was concerned about employment rights but have come to realise that there is little or no protection anyway if you are on a zero hour contract; as many people are. I am also concerned about the burden of migration on the NHS and other organisations and housing will continue to be in short supply and rents get ever more expensive as new migrants move further north out of London to save on housing benefit.

 

You are correct. Employment rights are slowly being eroded anyway.

 

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One of the issues I see is that the 'IN' campaign complain that the Brexit side don't have any plans on what happens after Brexit, yet when someone put forward ideas about post Brext the other day, they were immediately accused of producing a political manifesto. They can't have it both ways.

 

As you say, it's a pointless argument, as the current government can't forecast a few months ahead, let alone years ahead, so it's basically guesswork.

 

What are the remain plans? You do realise Cameron might have to step aside anyway.

[El Cid]

I have in the past been anti-EU, the principle of the EU being good.

 

I have now moved to be pro-EU, because if we are outside of the EU nothing will change.

 

The Conservatives promised to lower immigration, yet we have 160,000 immigrants from within the EU, and 160,000 from outside of the EU; they have done nothing.

 

So why would things be different outside the EU?

[tinfoilhat]

You are correct. Employment rights are slowly being eroded anyway.

 

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What are the remain plans? You do realise Cameron might have to step aside anyway.

 

And the EU, to a degree stop them eroding faster.

[Tomjames]

We will likely get a new government. Headed up by the likes of Boris & gove.

 

I don't think a remain victory will save Cameron, not for one second.

 

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And the EU, to a degree stop them eroding faster.

 

The point is we can democratically elect a new guv very 4 or 5 years.

[perplexed]

PeteMorris is correct, there's so much guesswork going on and there are many contradictions.

 

I saw Yanis Varoufakis on the Andrew Marr show last weekend. Regardless of what one thinks to his politics, he's an intelligent guy. He supports the position of the UK remaining in the EU. However, he also stated the Osbourne's economic forecasts/predictions were 'not worth the paper they were written on'.

 

I liked the quip on the show - 'if you laid all the economists in the world end to end they still wouldn't reach a conclusion'.

[tinfoilhat]

While we're in the midst of hard campaigning for the EU in-out election coming up on the 23rd June. Has anyone been actually convinced from a previous standpoint either way?

 

If so, what made you switch? Was it something someone said? Was it just a feeling? Friends who persuaded you? Some celebrity endorsed voting one way or the other?

 

I'm not talking about the undecided voters, just anyone who 'has' actually changed their minds as a result of the campaigning.

 

In answer to question Pete, yes - a bit. I wavered on voting leave after getting talked down to by the remain camp - but it would a been a vote based on bloodimindedness rather than anyting else. I'm on the remain side but I wish theyd dial it down a bit.

[MobileB]

The point is we can democratically elect a new guv very 4 or 5 years.

 

It's every five years since the UK Government changed the Law in 2010.

 

Take a look at the final clause of the actual act of Parliament that gave us entry into the European Union (or EEC as it was called then) and your sovereignty issue is about what we can do is there.