In-Out vote: Has anyone changed their mind since the campaign started?

[unbeliever]

It's not unreasonable to expect the people who want to leave to explain (and justify) how it will all work.

 

Yes it is.

They can and have told us in general terms, but the actual decisions will be made by the governments.

i.e. the UK government (mostly remainers) and the EU governments.

Leave can't tell us what they don't know.

 

What specific questions do you have which can be answered, but have not been?

Edited June 8, 2016 by unbeliever

[panzer1]

Once this is over brexiters will go back to their respective parties, ie labour MPs will be in the opposition so why or how can they formulate govt policy, that is for the govt to do.

[sutty27]

The leave camp don't want to give plans for a brexit because that will be something that can be criticised. (Assuming they actually have ideas of how it might work.)

 

 

The remain camp don't want to give plans because that will be doing the leave camp's job for them.

 

It's not unreasonable to expect the people who want to leave to explain (and justify) how it will all work.

 

What will happen after Brexit is the government will negotiate our withdrawal fro the EU, I can tell you that Nigel Farage is very unlikely to be involved in that process because he isn't an MP.

[altus]

Yes it is.

They can and have told us in general terms, but the actual decisions will be made by the governments.

i.e. the UK government (mostly remainers) and the EU governments.

Leave can't tell us what they don't know.

Leave haven't told us in general terms what they consider to be acceptable though. Are they really expecting us to believe they'd be happy with the government negotiating at trade deal that sill has us contributing almost as much as we do the to EU now whilst still allowing free movement of EU nationals? If they don't put forward a position, they are essentially saying "Vote for us - we'll throw away our influence in the EU but won't actually promise anything in return."

[unbeliever]

Leave haven't told us in general terms what they consider to be acceptable though. Are they really expecting us to believe they'd be happy with the government negotiating at trade deal that sill has us contributing almost as much as we do the to EU now whilst still allowing free movement of EU nationals? If they don't put forward a position, they are essentially saying "Vote for us - we'll throw away our influence in the EU but won't actually promise anything in return."

 

They've made it quite clear that this is not what they want.

And if the government try that after a leave vote there'll be a world of trouble.

[Quik]

Leave haven't told us in general terms what they consider to be acceptable though. Are they really expecting us to believe they'd be happy with the government negotiating at trade deal that sill has us contributing almost as much as we do the to EU now whilst still allowing free movement of EU nationals? If they don't put forward a position, they are essentially saying "Vote for us - we'll throw away our influence in the EU but won't actually promise anything in return."

We are not voting for 'them'. We are voting to leave the bloody EU. How that process goes is down to who forms the government during the negotiations. Asking the leave campaign to tell us what they will negotiate is utterly vacuous.

[panzer1]

Leave will have no input in the negotiations unless Cameron appoints bojo or Gove as negotiators. That will be down to Dave or his appointee, leave want as little influence exerted on the uk by the eu as possible. As unbeliever says there will be a lot of trouble if we end up with status quo after voting out.

[sutty27]

We are not voting for 'them'. We are voting to leave the bloody EU. How that process goes is down to who forms the government during the negotiations. Asking the leave campaign to tell us what they will negotiate is utterly vacuous.

 

Its an easy mistake to make, after all everyone involved in the in campaign as made the same mistake. Even David Cameron doesn't understand that he will be in charge of the government that is expected to negotiate our exit.

[altus]

They've made it quite clear that this is not what they want.

And if the government try that after a leave vote there'll be a world of trouble.

 

So why don't they say what's acceptable or not? They must have some idea. The answer, of course, is because if they say we want X the remain camp will point out the issues that doing that is likely to cause based on the trade deals the EU had made with other non-member European nations. If people start getting an idea of the likely downsides of leaving they will be less likely to vote for it.

[unbeliever]

So why don't they say what's acceptable or not? They must have some idea. The answer, of course, is because if they say we want X the remain camp will point out the issues that doing that is likely to cause based on the trade deals the EU had made with other non-member European nations. If people start getting an idea of the likely downsides of leaving they will be less likely to vote for it.

 

They've made it clear to me and you have access to all the same information.

 

We should be an independent nation.

Now if the EU wants to agree to a simple free trade deal, that's great. I'd point out they'd have to be a bit nutty not to, but then I think they are a bit nutty.

None of this "single market" rubbish.