L00b Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Look,when I get it I'll share it with you..deal? Happy to shake on that Hey, I don't mind queues: I'm frequently out-Britishing Brits about queues when I'm overseas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Happy to shake on that Hey, I don't mind queues: I'm frequently out-Britishing Brits about queues when I'm overseas I've found a BBC link for it but unfortunately for Tom it says exactly the opposite to his suggestion Extract: "The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase". Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis." Linky http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I've found a BBC link for it but unfortunately for Tom it says exactly the opposite to his suggestion Extract: "The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase". Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis." Linky http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1453311588418&uri=CELEX:12012E122 European law says differently. The EU can override the renegotiation. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122 (ex Article 100 TEC) 1. Without prejudice to any other procedures provided for in the Treaties, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may decide, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, upon the measures appropriate to the economic situation, in particular if severe difficulties arise in the supply of certain products, notably in the area of energy. 2. Where a Member State is in difficulties or is seriously threatened with severe difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may grant, under certain conditions, Union financial assistance to the Member State concerned. The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decision taken. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:12 ---------- It gets better. I'm trying to find the clause that states they can ask for any amount, legally binding. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:14 ---------- Link please? Article 122(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. It's in the Lisbon treaty. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122 (ex Article 100 TEC) 1. Without prejudice to any other procedures provided for in the Treaties, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may decide, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, upon the measures appropriate to the economic situation, in particular if severe difficulties arise in the supply of certain products, notably in the area of energy. 2. Where a Member State is in difficulties or is seriously threatened with severe difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may grant, under certain conditions, Union financial assistance to the Member State concerned. The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decision taken. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:18 ---------- Add one caveat, the EU needs a vote to pass through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1453311588418&uri=CELEX:12012E122 European law says differently. The EU can override the renegotiation. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122 (ex Article 100 TEC) 1. Without prejudice to any other procedures provided for in the Treaties, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may decide, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, upon the measures appropriate to the economic situation, in particular if severe difficulties arise in the supply of certain products, notably in the area of energy. 2. Where a Member State is in difficulties or is seriously threatened with severe difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may grant, under certain conditions, Union financial assistance to the Member State concerned. The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decision taken. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:12 ---------- It gets better. I'm trying to find the clause that states they can ask for any amount, legally binding. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:14 ---------- Article 122(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. It's in the Lisbon treaty. ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:10 ---------- Article 122 (ex Article 100 TEC) 1. Without prejudice to any other procedures provided for in the Treaties, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may decide, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, upon the measures appropriate to the economic situation, in particular if severe difficulties arise in the supply of certain products, notably in the area of energy. 2. Where a Member State is in difficulties or is seriously threatened with severe difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may grant, under certain conditions, Union financial assistance to the Member State concerned. The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decision taken. They aren't bailouts....if the Uk suffered difficulties caused by a natural disaster then,if we are in the EU,we would get this assistance..if we're on our own then who knows...? Edited June 9, 2016 by truman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 They aren't bailouts....if the Uk suffered difficulties caused by a natural disaster then,if we are in the EU,we would get this assistance..if we're on our own then who knows...? It's not just natural disaster. You're only seeing what you want to see EU law supercedes UK. We only have one vote like all member states. We can't opt out of the Lisbon treaty. There's nothing saying the EU can't lend money either. Which is what a bail out is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 It's not just natural disaster. You're only seeing what you want to see EU law supercedes UK. We only have one vote like all member states. We can't opt out of the Lisbon treaty. There's nothing saying the EU can't lend money either. Which is what a bail out is? Did you read the link I put up earlier...especially this bit.: "In 2011 the EU leaders agreed that the UK and other EU countries which are not in the eurozone, should not be part of any future eurozone bailouts.The eurozone has subsequently established a new bailout fund, paid for by, and benefiting, eurozone countries only." This bit: "The UK has not made a contribution via the EU for the other eurozone bailouts: the three Greek ones, in 2010, 2012 and 2015 and for the Spain and Cyprus bailouts in 2012." This bit: "But the UK government agreed a deal with the EU under which the European Central Bank - i.e. eurozone countries only - would cover any liabilities that would have fallen to the UK or other non-eurozone countries. This meant that the UK and other non-eurozone countries were exempted from any risk of losing money in this emergency loan to Greece." Are you saying that any time a government borrows money it's being bailed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Did you read the link I put up earlier...especially this bit.: "The eurozone has subsequently established a new bailout fund, paid for by, and benefiting, eurozone countries only." This bit: "The UK has not made a contribution via the EU for the other eurozone bailouts: the three Greek ones, in 2010, 2012 and 2015 and for the Spain and Cyprus bailouts in 2012." This bit: "But the UK government agreed a deal with the EU under which the European Central Bank - i.e. eurozone countries only - would cover any liabilities that would have fallen to the UK or other non-eurozone countries. This meant that the UK and other non-eurozone countries were exempted from any risk of losing money in this emergency loan to Greece." Are you saying that any time a government borrows money it's being bailed out? You mean the bailout fund that the EU can demand any amount from its member states? Where do you think this money comes from? Either way UK pays for future failures & bail outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 You mean the bailout fund that the EU can demand any amount from its member states? Where do you think this money comes from? Either way UK pays for future failures & bail outs. Have you actually read my link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Have you actually read my link? Has greece actually found buyers for their bonds yet? ---------- Post added 09-06-2016 at 15:46 ---------- What's going to happen when the uk runs out of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Has greece actually found buyers for their bonds yet? What does that have to do with the UK not participating in Euro bailouts? Do you intend to read the link or not..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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