Bob Arctor Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Hahahahahahahahah.....sorry but wtf? ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 14:23 ---------- I heard the manufacturing industry was in recovery mode https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/06/uk-manufacturing-could-recover-after-referendum-eef-says its this damned referendum holding us back I don't think four successive quarters of contraction is anything to get excited about, it's very worrying. ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 17:25 ---------- And still outperforming the Eurozone and the G7. And what short memories some folk have. 0.4% growth per quarter or the Labour equivalent http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8125898.stm 30 June 2009 15:35 UK The UK economy contracted 2.4% in the first quarter of 2009, a decline not exceeded in 51 years, according to the latest official data. The ONS now says the recession began during the second quarter of 2008 rather than during July to September, so that the recession has now been running for a whole year. The ONS said economic output shrank 4.9% during the first quarter of 2009 compared with the first quarter of 2008, the biggest year-on-year fall on record. Everyone remembers that, obviously. They also remember that it affected other economies similarly, regardless of whether the governments were right wing or centre right or centre left. A fair number of people also know why it happened, which is nothing to do with public spending in the Brown years but what was allowed (in the UK's case by Blair, Balls & Brown) to develop in the financial sector, i.e. a woeful shortage of regulation and a laissez faire attitude to unacceptable risk taking for short term financial advantage. It would be nice to think that lessons had been learned from that and the UK economy's reliance on the financial sector reduced to prevent further crises - but that would not be the truth. If Labour failed to fix the roof while the sun was shining, the Tories have tried to fix the slates while the timbers continue to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Daft question. We've never been broken despite what Cameron said. That was a sound bite which are so loved by the politicians. I recall they even had a task force to tackle the worst families, that must have help some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 IT started with a message of hope, the big society. As Osborne has gradually missed targets by a lot, it's stuttering along. No credible opposition from labour will keep the blues in for a few years yet. ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 13:12 ---------- To be fair it's a series of failures. 100k net migration? Deficit gone by 2016? They also promised not to increase tuition fees and to improve the NHS. They've done the opposite in both cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Arctor Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I recall they even had a task force to tackle the worst families, that must have help some. They also promised not to increase tuition fees and to improve the NHS. They've done the opposite in both cases. They also pledged to be the "greenest government ever" then went mad for fracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 They also promised not to increase tuition fees and to improve the NHS. They've done the opposite in both cases. Who promised not to increase tuition fees? Not the Conservatives. Are you thinking of the Lib Dems? ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 18:57 ---------- They also pledged to be the "greenest government ever" then went mad for fracking Fracking is green. CH4 is the cleanest fossil fuel by a very long way. Lower CO2 and by far the lowest in terms of pollution. What do you propose we do instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Arctor Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Who promised not to increase tuition fees? Not the Conservatives. Are you thinking of the Lib Dems? ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 18:57 ---------- Fracking is green. CH4 is the cleanest fossil fuel by a very long way. Lower CO2 and by far the lowest in terms of pollution. What do you propose we do instead? Invest heavily in renewables rather than burn fossil fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/17/george-osborne-pledge-to-scrap-very-unfair-tuition-fees-comes-to-light George Osborne specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Fracking is green. CH4 is the cleanest fossil fuel by a very long way. Lower CO2 and by far the lowest in terms of pollution. What do you propose we do instead? The UK risks missing its legally binding carbon targets and harming investment because of a string of cuts to green measures in 2015, ministers were warned by the government’s statutory climate advisers. Cameron and Osborne will be in the clink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) The UK risks missing its legally binding carbon targets and harming investment because of a string of cuts to green measures in 2015, ministers were warned by the government’s statutory climate advisers. Cameron and Osborne will be in the clink If you're talking about the 2050 targets, they are completely impractical and everybody is going to miss them by miles. ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 19:26 ---------- Invest heavily in renewables rather than burn fossil fuels. We're doing that. Far more than I would like. But all solutions for renewables require backup. What should said backup run on? Nuclear, coil (dirtiest thing possible), oil (second dirtiest thing possible) or methane (produces almost no pollution and less CO2 than coal or oil). By resisting fracking, you're actually causing pollution. Really. I promise. You're making things worse. Honestly! Edited June 14, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyboy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Who promised not to increase tuition fees? Not the Conservatives. Are you thinking of the Lib Dems? ---------- Post added 14-06-2016 at 18:57 ---------- Fracking is green. CH4 is the cleanest fossil fuel by a very long way. Lower CO2 and by far the lowest in terms of pollution. What do you propose we do instead? Can you explain why methane is greener than say octane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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