Is it time for Corbyn to resign.

[banjodeano]

And extinction.:wave:

 

Yada yada yada.... So you keep saying... Yawn

[Flanker7]

Well Corbyn hadn't much option really as he has so few MPs prepared to serve in the shadow cabinet most of his followers are forced to take 2 jobs. So the office cleaner could probably get a shadow ministry.

 

I would think very few will follow Champion's lead because they aren't that stupid. They know that Corbyn's goons have infiltrated the local party comittees. They know that they are up for reselection anyhow. The Boundary Review will ensure that.

 

So if Corbyn is re-elected as Labour leader (and I sincerely hope that he is) the MPs will have no option but to split off and forn a new party. I bet Theresa May can't believe her luck.

 

What a complicated world with 'goons' and 'infiltration'. She was foisted in as candidate after central office didn't trust the local party to choose so deselection would be problematic. She also looked a bit of an airhead,who has a weakness for shopping, in the TV series that followed several new MP's.

 

'No Option'? - They can always serve on the back benches like Jezza did for all those years. After what happened to the SDP gang of four imo they'd be daft to break away.

[foxy lady]

I take it you don't really think having an opposition is a good idea?

 

Did I say that? I'm not one putting Corbyn forward as the salvation of the Labour Party. I'm one putting him forward as the cause of its slow death.

[I1L2T3]

Did I say that? I'm not one putting Corbyn forward as the salvation of the Labour Party. I'm one putting him forward as the cause of its slow death.

 

He's a symptom of the problems not the cause.

 

If Labour had not been obliterated in Scotland there would be no crisis now. Likewise if they had not lost millions of their core vote to Ukip.

 

The party as a whole is looking for something. They don't know what the party is any more and they don't know what it should be. Maybe Labour is irrelevant now.

 

The PLP are familiar with a cosy Westminster world where they form a largely unquestioning cornerstone of our crony-capitalist state. It's a cosy world where they get paid well and even in opposition the consultancies and opportunities in the private sector beckon. They have been found out by the Scottish voters who rightly label them red Tories. They have been found out too by working class English and Welsh voters who have realised that Labour is not relevant to them on many issues.

 

The rise of Corbyn is just a reaction to all this. He didn't make it all happen as the decline has been long and slow since at least 2003. Blame Blair especially, Brown for his cowardice and Miliband for failing to spot the utterly obvious - he was the wrong guy for the job and presided over the cementing in of the decline.

[hackey lad]

it's one mp who is apparantly out of the country who has asked to rejoin the shadow cabinet for reasons which, currently, seem to be unclear.

 

however, given her role involves child abuse and domestic violence two topics which should transcend politics then maybe, possibly she believes that returning to that role is the right thing to do.

 

probably realised her snout would be out of the trough and coincidently she is out of the country and unable to tell us all why she changed her mind

[foxy lady]

He's a symptom of the problems not the cause.

 

If Labour had not been obliterated in Scotland there would be no crisis now. Likewise if they had not lost millions of their core vote to Ukip.

 

The party as a whole is looking for something. They don't know what the party is any more and they don't know what it should be. Maybe Labour is irrelevant now.

 

The PLP are familiar with a cosy Westminster world where they form a largely unquestioning cornerstone of our crony-capitalist state. It's a cosy world where they get paid well and even in opposition the consultancies and opportunities in the private sector beckon. They have been found out by the Scottish voters who rightly label them red Tories. They have been found out too by working class English and Welsh voters who have realised that Labour is not relevant to them on many issues.

 

The rise of Corbyn is just a reaction to all this. He didn't make it all happen as the decline has been long and slow since at least 2003. Blame Blair especially, Brown for his cowardice and Miliband for failing to spot the utterly obvious - he was the wrong guy for the job and presided over the cementing in of the decline.

 

Left wing socialism is largely irrelevant in this era as deminstrated by the roaring success of Arthur Scargill's socialist party. Those politics went out of fashion 45 years ago. Not around here perhaps where they still burn Thatchers image, but in the constituencies where the party would need to win if they wanted any hope of winning an election.

 

What Tony Blair tried to do was move the Labour Party to a position where they became relevant to left of centre voters. It is only that that made them electable. Moving back to the left simply robs the party of the centre ground votes that put them in power between 1997 and 2010.

 

Those voters still exist, but they won't vote for a Corbyn Labour Party. They will either vote for another centre ground party like the Libdems or a breakaway Labour Party that reflects their needs. Some may even vote UKIP and others Tory. One thing that won't happen is the election of a Labour Party with a Corbyn manifesto.

 

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probably realised her snout would be out of the trough and coincidently she is out of the country and unable to tell us all why she changed her mind

 

Probably positioning herself for crossing the floor of the Commons. A shadow minister would get far more publicity and probably a better position within a new party.

 

---------- Post added 26-07-2016 at 20:09 ----------

 

What a complicated world with 'goons' and 'infiltration'. She was foisted in as candidate after central office didn't trust the local party to choose so deselection would be problematic. She also looked a bit of an airhead,who has a weakness for shopping, in the TV series that followed several new MP's.

 

'No Option'? - They can always serve on the back benches like Jezza did for all those years. After what happened to the SDP gang of four imo they'd be daft to break away.

 

Well the option of serving on the backbenches before being deselected as a Labour candidate. The Gang of Four of course was not a gang of four. A couple of dozen Labour MPs also defected to join the SDP, and left the Labour Party ranks rather depleted. But then those 28 MPs weren't facing deselection, they were just dissatisfied with the left wing Labour agenda. If the Labour Party splits in the next few months it is likely to be rather more MPs than that, and rather more household names.

Either way it is likely to keep Labour out of Downing Street for a generation at least.

Edited July 26, 2016 by foxy lady

[Phanerothyme]

Did I say that?

No, that's not what you said, but it is what you seemed to imply with your little duo of waving smileys. I'm not an emoticon expert, but it seemed celebratory.

I'm not one putting Corbyn forward as the salvation of the Labour Party.

Wow, that's a coincidence, neither am I

I'm one putting him forward as the cause of its slow death.

 

I actually think that the Labour Party is probably more resilient than you think.

 

However, if Labour was smart, they'd line up behind Corbyn until just before the next GE. The "coup" was the most cack handed aspect of the entire debacle.

 

Corbyn is a relatively moderate populist, and there is a cult of the personality emerging around him, along with generous whiff of revolutionary politics.

 

Who knows? Back in the 80s, the world was very different indeed. Today it could easily ignite the youth, who are, after all, more predisposed towards socialist politics.

 

Labour and Tory attempts to engage youth are embarrassing at best, damaging at worst - but Momentum is full of young people and its use of digital is seamless and fluent. It has been able to get the vote out on several occasions, which means it can bridge the digital/real world gap better than all the other parties.

 

TV and Newspapers are going to be an afterthought at the next General Election, and entirely obsolete by 2025.

[foxy lady]

No, that's not what you said, but it is what you seemed to imply with your little duo of waving smileys. I'm not an emoticon expert, but it seemed celebratory.

 

Wow, that's a coincidence, neither am I

 

 

I actually think that the Labour Party is probably more resilient than you think.

 

However, if Labour was smart, they'd line up behind Corbyn until just before the next GE. The "coup" was the most cack handed aspect of the entire debacle.

 

Corbyn is a relatively moderate populist, and there is a cult of the personality emerging around him, along with generous whiff of revolutionary politics.

 

Who knows? Back in the 80s, the world was very different indeed. Today it could easily ignite the youth, who are, after all, more predisposed towards socialist politics.

 

Labour and Tory attempts to engage youth are embarrassing at best, damaging at worst - but Momentum is full of young people and its use of digital is seamless and fluent. It has been able to get the vote out on several occasions, which means it can bridge the digital/real world gap better than all the other parties.

 

TV and Newspapers are going to be an afterthought at the next General Election, and entirely obsolete by 2025.

 

Oh dear. That is hilarious. The Parliamentary Labour Party lining up behind Corbyn!!!!!!

 

The Labour MPs know about the Momentum lists and who is being lined up for deselection. Corbyn is even threatening them with just that.

 

There are 2 ways in which this can end. One would be for a new leader to take over the party and hope to heal the splits. The other is for Corbyn to be reappointed as leader and the party split. How many MPs that would involve is anyone's guess, but as 170 odd of them signed a motion of no confidence in Corbyn there isn't really a way back for most of them whilst he is at the helm. Indeed with Momentum taking over many of the local party offices there isn't really a future for many of them anyhow.

 

Perhaps you've just spent too much time in your digital world where you hit the reset button and everything returns to normal.

[I1L2T3]

Oh dear. That is hilarious. The Parliamentary Labour Party lining up behind Corbyn!!!!!!

 

The Labour MPs know about the Momentum lists and who is being lined up for deselection. Corbyn is even threatening them with just that.

 

There are 2 ways in which this can end. One would be for a new leader to take over the party and hope to heal the splits. The other is for Corbyn to be reappointed as leader and the party split. How many MPs that would involve is anyone's guess, but as 170 odd of them signed a motion of no confidence in Corbyn there isn't really a way back for most of them whilst he is at the helm. Indeed with Momentum taking over many of the local party offices there isn't really a future for many of them anyhow.

 

Perhaps you've just spent too much time in your digital world where you hit the reset button and everything returns to normal.

 

I agree. I think the Labour party will split and it won't be a bad thing in the long run.

[Phanerothyme]

Oh dear. That is hilarious. The Parliamentary Labour Party lining up behind Corbyn!!!!!!

 

The Labour MPs know about the Momentum lists and who is being lined up for deselection. Corbyn is even threatening them with just that.

 

There are 2 ways in which this can end. One would be for a new leader to take over the party and hope to heal the splits. The other is for Corbyn to be reappointed as leader and the party split. How many MPs that would involve is anyone's guess, but as 170 odd of them signed a motion of no confidence in Corbyn there isn't really a way back for most of them whilst he is at the helm. Indeed with Momentum taking over many of the local party offices there isn't really a future for many of them anyhow.

 

Perhaps you've just spent too much time in your digital world where you hit the reset button and everything returns to normal.

 

Never mind.