Is it time for Corbyn to resign.

[Penistone999]

I dont think the party is a laughing stock because of people like me, it a laughing stock because the party will not accept democracy, (unless it suits them)

Ah, I see you didnt answer my question again, so i'll ask for a third time .....

"How is he (Corbyn) ruining our party by turning it into a laughing stock full of stuck up middle class graduates". as you described.?

please dont ask me to answer questions, if you are not prepared to return the favour.

 

He is destroying it because none of his own MP`s want him and think he is useless. Hardly a solid foundation is it ?

[banjodeano]

He is destroying it because none of his own MP`s want him and think he is useless. Hardly a solid foundation is it ?

no its not...... but none of the membership want the MP's and think they're useless, and thats an even less solid foundation

[foxy lady]

no its not...... but none of the membership want the MP's and think they're useless, and thats an even less solid foundation

 

 

No one knows why they do it, but it is assumed that they think they are doing the right thing.

 

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They should have made Ruth Davidson PM IMO. By far and away the most charismatic tory either side of the border.

 

It doesn't really matter though does it. They could appoint Myra Hindley as leader and she would still take 50 seats from Corbyn's Labour come 2020

Edited July 29, 2016 by foxy lady

[Morphed]

let's face it, many in the nationalist community voted for Sinn Fein, particularly in poorer , urban areas.

The SDLP, to some, were middle class catholics, not necessarily in touch with these communities, so therefore it made sense to speak to Sinn Fein.

 

As for Corbyn being a back bench MP, if he was able to do what the government of the time wouldn't, or couldn't; (remember the Brighton atrocity happenned during the time of the miners' strike, so if they wouldn't listen to their own working classes, what chance for the colonies?!)

then that imo makes him a man of extreme bravery and peace.

Now Labour have a long awaited opportunity to get themselves elected, with a decent leader in charge. let's not blow it!

 

I'm surprised that this post has gone unanswered for more than a week. It is inaccurate in it's entirety.

 

Firstly, Northern Ireland is not a colony. It is a part of the United Kingdom. The majority of the people of Northern Ireland (of which those are mostly Protestant) want Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK and consider themselves British, not Irish. To say the Thatcher government had little interest in Irish affairs (preoccupied by the miners' strike in England!) is an insult to history. The Thatcher government created the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Whilst not universally adored it was a hugely significant part of the Peace Process. Jeremey Corbyn did not vote in favour of it. But he attended Troops Out rallies.

 

To say the SDLP represented middle class Catholics and not the working classes is at odds with the facts. Sinn Fein only began gaining any sort of ground on the SDLP after the 1994 IRA ceasefire. The SDLP exists only in Northern Ireland, unlike Sinn Fein which has seats in Westminster as well as the Oireachtas. The SDLP has fraternal ties to the British (i.e. the currently Corbyn lead) Labour Party. The British Labour Party has not contested a seat in Northern Ireland since 1910. In recent times the SDLP has been accused of losing it's focus on a united Ireland. This a charge strenuously denied by the SDLP themselves. Your assessment of the SDLP is completely wide of the mark.

 

There was nothing brave about Corbyn (or Ken Livingstone) meeting with Gerry Adams. All were elected MPs. Indeed, the British government had earlier talked to the IRA and Sinn Fein to try and end the Hunger Strikes and the great John Hume began having meetings with Adams in 1988. What is curious about Corbyn's meetings is what exactly he was trying to achieve. Why did he feel the need to invite Gerry MacLochlainn and Linda Quigley along for the ride, both convicted IRA terrorists? The Handsard records from this time make amusing reading. The Rev Ian Paisley:

 

"Every right-thinking person in Northern Ireland utterly abhorred the action taken by the honourable member for Islington North when he brought into the House Linda Quigley, who has been convicted as a member of the IRA.

“She said that she supported the IRA’s view that the British Government were a legitimate target. Therefore, she supported the bombing at Brighton, when an attempt was made to murder the Government.

“It must be utterly abhorrent to all people that an honourable member brought such a person into the House.”

 

In 1987 Jeremy Corbyn stood in honour of eight IRA terrorists shot dead by the SAS at Loughgall in Northern Ireland. They had attempted to blow up a police station. An RUC police station staffed by British RUC police officers in the United Kingdom. He said at a Wolfe Tone Society meeting of 200 people, 9 days after the Loughgall ambush:

 

"I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland.”

 

Surely, a committed pacifist like Corbyn should have sided with his fraternal partners in the SDLP and not Sinn Fein? John Hume, together with David Trimble, was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the Peace Process. Not Gerry Adams, not Martin McGuinness, nor from the other side, Ian Paisley. John Hume, of the SDLP. John Hume was also voted the Greatest Man in Irish History by RTE. History will show Jeremy Corbyn did not contribute to peace in Northern Ireland in any way, shape, or form.

[WestTinsley]

I'm surprised that this post has gone unanswered for more than a week. It is inaccurate in it's entirety.

 

Firstly, Northern Ireland is not a colony. It ...

 

OK. You are attacking the poster not on facts but opinion and language as you know it matters when speaking of the 6counties.

 

JC supported a unified ireland.like many in the trade unions and labour and ofcourse sdlp who you seem to mention at every corner. He met with most of the Left in relation to Ireland South Africa Palestine or Angola..He met sdlp he met non aligned doesn't mean he agreed with their methods or even politics.

For heavens sake Thatcher was hand in glove with fascist s and far right govts around the globe south Africa Rhodesia Chile Colombia .. and financial and politically corrupt corporations and political figures... Don't slate the guy on opinions, because on facts you cant you need to question where you are coming from first

Edited August 2, 2016 by WestTinsley

[Morphed]

OK. You are attacking the poster not on facts but opinion and language as you know it matters when speaking of the 6counties.

 

JC supported a unified ireland.like many in the trade unions and labour and ofcourse sdlp who you seem to mention at every corner. He met with most of the Left in relation to Ireland South Africa Palestine or Angola..He met sdlp he met non aligned doesn't mean he agreed with their methods or even politics.

For heavens sake Thatcher was hand in glove with fascist s and far right govts around the globe south Africa Rhodesia Chile Colombia .. and financial and politically corrupt cooperations and political figures... Don't slate the guy on opinions, because on facts you cant you need to question where you are coming from first

 

What are you on about? Where am I coming from? The post I answered is entirely, utterly wrong. They are not opinions of the poster, they are assertions and they are incorrect.

 

The quotes I use are verbatim.

 

It's true that the majority of Northern Irish citizens consider themselves British not Irish. Undeniable fact.

 

It's true NI is not a colony.

 

The Anglo-Irish Agreement was during a Thatcher government . She wanted a solution, she wasn't ignoring a 'colony' to focus on the miners here. It was a ridiculous statement. She was the Prime Minister of the UK which includes NI. The working class of NI are as much a part of the UK as those at Orgreave. Undeniable fact. The minority want to be part of Ireland.

 

He was wrong about the SDLP. For heaven's sake, they have the word Labour in their name!

 

It's true the SDLP have fraternal ties with Labour. It's true Labour haven't contested a seat in NI since 1910.

 

Everything he wrote was wrong.

 

Your response to my post is quite bizarre.

[WestTinsley]

Listen, nothing bizarre at all. 99.9 pc in the 6,even unionists consider themselves Irish .

Labour have" fraternal ties " with many groups even anc and the fatah org of the PLO. they are all members of the socalled Socialist International...

And you know well that many Irish view the North of Ireland as a colony of the UK and an occupation. it's unlike any part of Britain in many ways.

Time to give it back. It costs too much has it is.. has since its inception.

Vote JC for PM

Edited August 2, 2016 by WestTinsley

[Morphed]

Listen, nothing bizarre at all. 99.9 pc in the 6,even unionists consider themselves Irish .

Labour have" fraternal ties " with many groups even anc and the fatah org of the PLO. they are all members of the socalled Socialist International...

And you know well that many view the North of Ireland as a colony. it's unlike any part of Britain.

Time to give it back. It costs too much has it is.. has since its inception.

 

Have a look at the 2011 census of NI. Pay particular attention to those that say they are 'British.'

 

You are very, very wrong.

 

For many reasons Jeremy Corbyn will not get my vote. His desire to see a unified Ireland is not the main reason.

[WestTinsley]

Have a look at the 2011 census of NI. Pay particular attention to those that say they are 'British.'

 

You are very, very wrong.

 

For many reasons Jeremy Corbyn will not get my vote. His desire to see a unified Ireland is not the main reason.

Ulsters Unionists do consider themselves British it's a given. They identify themselves as Irish too. Fact

[Morphed]

Ulsters Unionists do consider themselves British it's a given. They identify themselves as Irish too. Fact

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Northern_Ireland

 

Look how many describe themselves as British only. The majority.