Is it time for Corbyn to resign.

[WestTinsley]

Yes I think we all know it's currently 50/50. On the 32county vote I reckon it would be a dramatically different result.

[Jukes]

OK. You are attacking the poster not on facts but opinion and language as you know it matters when speaking of the 6counties.

 

JC supported a unified ireland.like many in the trade unions and labour and ofcourse sdlp who you seem to mention at every corner. He met with most of the Left in relation to Ireland South Africa Palestine or Angola..He met sdlp he met non aligned doesn't mean he agreed with their methods or even politics.

For heavens sake Thatcher was hand in glove with fascist s and far right govts around the globe south Africa Rhodesia Chile Colombia .. and financial and politically corrupt corporations and political figures... Don't slate the guy on opinions, because on facts you cant you need to question where you are coming from first

 

If you had been involved in serious politics you would understand that you get things done by talking to people that you don't agree with. You don't get things done by staying in an echo chamber.

 

The trouble with JC is that he only wants to talk to the people that agree with him and he doesn't want to change his mind to anything that looks like he agrees with people that he sees as the enemy. Not only that but the more we find out about him the nastier he is starting to look except that he sits there in silence while he gets his henchmen (they are all men apart from his ex lover) to do his dirty work for him. He has been a mouthpiece for terrorists in the past and he is now a mouthpiece for Putin.

 

Voters aren't stupid so he's completely unelectable by the country and the Labour Party that can make a difference to ordinary people is being destroyed before our eyes and being turned into a student agitprop society.

 

Jukes x

[blake]

Ulsters Unionists do consider themselves British it's a given.

 

while this is true, and most Northern Irish do consider themselves and refer to themselves as British, they have it wrong and Northern Irish are not in actual fact British because Britain is the word that refers to the largest of the islands in the archipelago of which Northern Ireland is not a part. That's why UK passports, including ones issued in Northern Ireland, have the words THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN *AND* NORTHERN IRELAND written on the front. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. But it is not part of Britain.

[unbeliever]

while this is true, and most Northern Irish do consider themselves and refer to themselves as British, they have it wrong and Northern Irish are not in actual fact British because Britain is the word that refers to the largest of the islands in the archipelago of which Northern Ireland is not a part. That's why UK passports, including ones issued in Northern Ireland, have the words THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN *AND* NORTHERN IRELAND written on the front. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. But it is not part of Britain.

 

Whilst correct, this is a meaningless technicality for the purposes of the discussion.

The reality is that the term "British" is used routinely to refer to all the citizens of the Union.

[blake]

the issuers of UK passports clearly don't consider Northern Ireland to be in Britain. Otherwise it would just say UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN. THey wouldn't append Northern Ireland on the end, would they.

[unbeliever]

the issuers of UK passports clearly don't consider Northern Ireland to be in Britain. Otherwise it would just say UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN. THey wouldn't append Northern Ireland on the end, would they.

 

Technicality. There is sometimes a small difference between the technical meaning of words and their practical usage.

[blake]

there is of course the well-known British Isles naming dispute too. Geographically Ireland, the world's 20th largest island, is supposed to be one of the British Isles, the second largest one of the archipelago. Elements in the Republic don't like this and want to refer to the archipelago not as the British Isles which is what it was traditionally called by nearly everyone, but as the British and Irish Isles.

[Morphed]

the issuers of UK passports clearly don't consider Northern Ireland to be in Britain. Otherwise it would just say UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN. THey wouldn't append Northern Ireland on the end, would they.

 

You are wrong. The correct demonym for a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is British or Briton.

 

I wish to correct my earlier post about the majority of NI citizens declaring themselves British only on the 2011 census. At 40% it's not the majority, it's the plurality. (25% say Irish only, 21% say Northern Irish only).

Edited August 2, 2016 by Morphed

[Stoatwobbler]

The problem I see with Corbyn is not left wingery. It's the ability to lead a large, fractious organisation like the Labour party. It's something much more basic than a belief that the railways would be better if they were run by the state.

[unbeliever]

The problem I see with Corbyn is not left wingery. It's the ability to lead a large, fractious organisation like the Labour party. It's something much more basic than a belief that the railways would be better if they were run by the state.

 

Quite. You've identified that he's a muppet. Or as Hilary Benn put it when this whole think kicked off

He's a good and honourable man, but he is not a leader.