Stoatwobbler Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Quite. You've identified that he's a muppet. Or as Hilary Benn put it when this whole think kicked off I identified this during the referendum campaign, in which I was active for "Stonger In". It became clear from talking to Labour folk that there are major issues with the way the party is (or isn't) being run. Issues that go beyond left and right such as communication and teamwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestTinsley Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 If you had been involved in serious politics you would understand that you get things done by talking to people that you don't agree with. You don't get things done by staying in an echo chamber. The trouble with JC is that he only wants to talk to the people that agree with him and he doesn't want to change his mind to anything that looks like he agrees with people that he sees as the enemy. Not only that but the more we find out about him the nastier he is starting to look except that he sits there in silence while he gets his henchmen (they are all men apart from his ex lover) to do his dirty work for him. He has been a mouthpiece for terrorists in the past and he is now a mouthpiece for Putin. Voters aren't stupid so he's completely unelectable by the country and the Labour Party that can make a difference to ordinary people is being destroyed before our eyes and being turned into a student agitprop society. Jukes xx You are stating an opinion. None of what you write is based on facts. Most of what you wrote is a tad bizarre tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I identified this during the referendum campaign, in which I was active for "Stonger In". It became clear from talking to Labour folk that there are major issues with the way the party is (or isn't) being run. Issues that go beyond left and right such as communication and teamwork. But on the plus side folk are talking about Labour again. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-would-lose-last-scottish-8542284#Te1BmJI43ffoFplb.97 Labour will lose their last MP in Scotland and 99 others if Jeremy Corbyn leads the party into a general election. That’s the finding of analysis which puts the Tories on course for a majority of 201, with Labour losing 99 seats in every part of the country. The study measured how people would vote if Theresa May calls a snap general election next spring. It suggests a uniform swing would leave the Tories on 426 seats (+95), Labour on 133 (-99), the SNP on 57 (+1), the Liberal Democrats on 10 (+2) and UKIP on 2 (+1). The figures are based on end-of month opinion polls published by ICM since Corbyn was elected last September. If current trends continue then by next May Labour could fall as low as 20 per cent, with the Tories 28 points ahead at 48 per cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Vote JC for PM Only Labour members can vote for either Mr Corbyn or Mr Smith; and that's just as Labour leader. Prime Ministers are elected by (usually) the MPs of the political party which has the largest number of MPs. And that rules-out Labour for the time being- maybe for ever. ---------- Post added 02-08-2016 at 18:13 ---------- It suggests a uniform swing would leave the Tories on 426 seats (+95), Labour on 133 (-99), the SNP on 57 (+1), the Liberal Democrats on 10 (+2) and UKIP on 2 (+1). The figures are based on end-of month opinion polls published by ICM since Corbyn was elected last September. If current trends continue then by next May Labour could fall as low as 20 per cent, with the Tories 28 points ahead at 48 per cent. But remember there are major boundary changes pending, inc. a reduction from 650 to 600 MPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 But remember there are major boundary changes pending, inc. a reduction from 650 to 600 MPs. I know. Now here's the thing. A year ago the boundary changes were expected to gain the Tories around 22 seats and cost Labour about the same. It would have increased the Tory majority from 12 to 50. But of course that's all before Corbyn came to the fore. Now the Tories would win most of those seats anyhow. So the boundary changes might not actually make much difference. But of course if the Tories are smart they will approve the boundary changes to be implemented in time for the 2025 election. Why have 400 Tory MPs when you could have 426? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I know. Now here's the thing. A year ago the boundary changes were expected to gain the Tories around 22 seats and cost Labour about the same. It would have increased the Tory majority from 12 to 50. But of course that's all before Corbyn came to the fore. Now the Tories would win most of those seats anyhow. So the boundary changes might not actually make much difference. But of course if the Tories are smart they will approve the boundary changes to be implemented in time for the 2025 election. Why have 400 Tory MPs when you could have 426? Thats if they dont lose a few through fraud https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/01/judge-grants-extension-to-police-investigation-into-tory-election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Thats if they dont lose a few through fraud https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/01/judge-grants-extension-to-police-investigation-into-tory-election Welcome back. Did you enjoy your enforced holiday? You do cling to the flimsiest straws don't you. But I suppose it's all you've got. :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Welcome back. Did you enjoy your enforced holiday? You do cling to the flimsiest straws don't you. But I suppose it's all you've got. :hihi: Enforced holiday? :huh: was i banned I have just been enjoying standing on the edges watching the minions sharing their pearls of wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumfast Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Welcome back. Did you enjoy your enforced holiday? You do cling to the flimsiest straws don't you. But I suppose it's all you've got. :hihi: At the risk.of appearing slightly rude but without fear of contradiction I have to say you may well be the saddest contributor to The Sheffield Forum that I have ever had the misfortune of reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestTinsley Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Only Labour members can vote for either Mr Corbyn or Mr Smith; and that's just as Labour leader. Prime Ministers are elected by (usually) the MPs of the political party which has the largest number of MPs. And that rules-out Labour for the time being- maybe for ever.] ___ thanks for the useful info. but labour leaders are actually voted in by the members and trades union membership. so maybe if labour wins we will get the old tory rednecks and racists out with or without any alliance they have with ukip.Times are changing, sooner if they bring in PR voting . And Scotland leaves the union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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