andyofborg Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I think all parties try to convince the working poor to vote for them. No party can claim to be driven by their interests alone. I think they all try to an extent. Labour argue that more public service spending is what will help the working poor. I'm not sure whether they believe it. But I firmly believe that they're actually arguing for it because it will help the public sector unions. The Conservatives argue that low taxes and economic growth is what will help the working poor. I suspect that the reason they're doing so well in the polls of late is that we've had a massive cut in the taxes on the working poor and we've had economic growth and for all the whinging from the Guardian reading crowd, the working poor have experienced it positively and appreciate it. Over the years all parties have used public spending as a fix for the deindustrialisation of the 80s and the subsequent globalisation. The 80s thatcher administrations assumed (hoped) that "the market" would provide replacement jobs unfortunately it didn't or where it did they were the low skilled call centre jobs rather than the higher skilled engineering jobs which were lost. Unfortunately by the time they realised what was happening the government was so in the thrall of the "no state intervention free marketeers" that they could do nothing but a few random "job creation schemes" with no real plan. Leaving people flipping between benefits, no hope a4e style schemes and disability benefits. The subsequent new labour government was so scared of being labelled old labour that it carried on with this rather than embalking on a massive re-skilling operation along with a sensible state-industrial policy/strategy. after the wheels came off the economy in 2008, osbournes austerity pulled the rug from under this strategy leaving the poorest parts of the country basically with next to no support. if theresa may is serious about her statement of having a proper policy/strategy then things might improve but the jobs which are to be created need to be decently paid and full time. casualisation and zero hours contracts wont go away but they should be limited to covering peaks in demand. ---------- Post added 19-07-2016 at 19:49 ---------- I would disagree with that.. It brought socialists back into the party that felt like they had been excluded... Now they had a candidate that could bring back socialist values.. very good, however the reality is that that will not produce a labour government though i suppose it depends on what you mean by "socialist values" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 could. won't. will never get elected to government you see. That's your opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 That's your opinion of course of course, but history is on our side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBUK Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 That's your opinion of course not just mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 of course, but history is on our side When did Corbyn challenge the last time,? not just mine. Ah.... Because everyone else says so, it must be true... Reminds me of the emporers new cloths.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBUK Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Ah.... Because everyone else says so, it must be true... Reminds me of the emporers new cloths.. people tell me Corbyn is unelectable and I believe them. it's that simple. i'm completely incapable of judging him incompetent all by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 people tell me Corbyn is unelectable and I believe them. it's that simple. i'm completely incapable of judging him incompetent all by myself. Don't worry about it mate, your not on your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBUK Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Don't worry about it mate, your not on your own but Jeremy Corbyn is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 When did Corbyn challenge the last time,? ideas from his wing of the party were tested in the 80s and resulted in a generation of conservative governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 ideas from his wing of the party were tested in the 80s and resulted in a generation of conservative governments. People were not living in austerity then, whilst the billionaires fleeced the country... Different times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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