Is it time for Corbyn to resign.

[Eater Sundae]

So we have established that Corbyn talked to terrorists, and so did our government....

Thanks Eater Sundae

 

We've also established that there was a difference between the two. One was working towards peace, the other was supporting terrorists.

[unbeliever]

I don't think it should come as a devastating shock to anybody.

The hard socialists in the UK and elsewhere have long ago come to see all terrorists as freedom fighters and all democracies as evil.

I suspect it's a reaction to the fact that people stopped voting for them. People obviously have to get socialism for their own good. If they won't vote for it, then other arrangements will have to be made.

 

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So we have established that Corbyn talked to terrorists, and so did our government....

Thanks Eater Sundae

 

Congratulations. That's the most obvious and pathetic attempt at spin that I've ever read. Blair would have been proud.

[banjodeano]

We've also established that there was a difference between the two. One was working towards peace, the other was supporting terrorists.

 

Have we.? or is it just your blinkered hatred of the man, "he was on a stage with them so he must have been supporting them"?

do you think he was actively encouraging them to commit more atrocities.? and if so, why was he never tried for treason?

I see people are not responding to this terrorist sympathiser...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10507850.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/1...nto-opera.html

 

no change there then, people can be very selective when it comes to people who associate with terrorists..

[Obelix]

Corbyn wants to purge the unbelievers...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36852222

 

This gets more like Deng and the Gang of four everyday...

[banjodeano]

I don't think it should come as a devastating shock to anybody.

The hard socialists in the UK and elsewhere have long ago come to see all terrorists as freedom fighters and all democracies as evil.

I suspect it's a reaction to the fact that people stopped voting for them. People obviously have to get socialism for their own good. If they won't vote for it, then other arrangements will have to be made.

 

---------- Post added 21-07-2016 at 11:37 ----------

 

 

Congratulations. That's the most obvious and pathetic attempt at spin that I've ever read. Blair would have been proud.

Thanks

[the_bloke]

Apparently people are making a big song and dance about Corbyn putting forward a policy about making businesses publish their equal pay audits.

 

Shame that it's already in draft regulation stage following a Government consultation..

 

http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/a-new-act/

 

Good news for Labour activists though, apparently the boundary changes mean that all Labour MPs will have to put themselves forward for reselection before the 2020 GE. Expect mass changes across the board, with MPs who won their seats based upon Milliband policies to be replaced with Corbyn followers. It's quite possible that by 2018/19 most Labour MPs will have never been elected by the general public to represent them in Parliament.

 

Edit: Actually I'm not sure on that last point; does a deselected MP still represent their constituency or must they stand down? There seems a grey area about it, as one source suggests deselection means they carry on regardless until the next GE when they simply can't stand again as the candidate

Edited July 21, 2016 by the_bloke

[truman]

Apparently people are making a big song and dance about Corbyn putting forward a policy about making businesses publish their equal pay audits.

 

Shame that it's already in draft regulation stage following a Government consultation..

 

http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/a-new-act/

 

Good news for Labour activists though, apparently the boundary changes mean that all Labour MPs will have to put themselves forward for reselection before the 2020 GE. Expect mass changes across the board, with MPs who won their seats based upon Milliband policies to be replaced with Corbyn followers. It's quite possible that by 2018/19 most Labour MPs will have never been elected by the general public to represent them in Parliament.

 

Edit: Actually I'm not sure on that last point; does a deselected MP still represent their constituency or must they stand down? There seems a grey area about it, as one source suggests deselection means they carry on regardless until the next GE when they simply can't stand again as the candidate

 

I think they are still able to be in the HoC but obviously they wouldn't be Labour MP's

[Anna B]

You could perhaps just try and debate the question?

 

It's a forum. People have opinions. You have them. Strong ones that perhaps you dont like being challenged. Thats not unreasonable - it's how people work.

 

But perhaps - and this is what never ceases to amaze me - you could appreciate that other people have strong opinions that differ from yours. These people might have strong feelings that are different to you. Because this is one thing I do notice Anna - you really dont like it when people don't share your view but are constantly amazed with them for being annoyed at your views.

 

Now Corbyn. I have strong views about his support for terrorists. Especially for the IRA because I was being shot at by them when they were making a quite determined effort to kill me. I've stood up to be counted, unlike some beardy poltroon, and so I do feel rather strongly about him, and about how he's meant to be this man of the people.

 

So I'd like an answer. Thats not unreasonable in a debate. Please note I am not asking for an answer that I like. I just want a reasoned answer to a question. Because when you cant think of an answer, or it is going to make you look shall we say not as good as you would like, you decide to "deal" with it by ignoring it.

 

You could withdraw your comment about him being a man of the people - now you've learned about his terrorist links. That's not unreasonable. You could say that you hope hes moved on. Or that you think its regrettable. You could say that you support his motives. All these are acceptable as you are standing up to be counted as it were.

 

But by just ignoring it - you insult me and the others who are answering you in the debate. You are deliberately making us waste time and effort to answer your points and then refusing to be civil and reciprocate with us. That is mean of you. It is impolite in the extreme. It stops us from debating from others who are perhaps more worthy of debate. Worst of all when it gets too much you flounce off and say you are not talking any more - the ultimate in "well can't play the game because I'm taking MY ball home". It's a cheap trick that should be beneath you - yet you use it regularly.

 

So until you learn to play nicer, you will have people tweaking your nose, and insisting on old questions being answered. Thats not bullying. It's social pressure designed to remind you that if you want to debate you play by the rules, and if you dont people will constantly, non stop remind you of the rules. Now to forestall the inevtiable demand as to why I'm the one making the rules - I'm not. The rules are made by all in the debate. So please, try and learn what they are and play within them. It's much more fun that taking the ball away and sulking at home.

 

I am more than happy to debate with people but will not tolerate vicious personal attacks. Attack the message by all means, but not the messanger. I endeavour to be polite, I see no reason why that courtesy should not be returned. Being called a moron, deluded, etc is not acceptable, although it's perfectly fine to disagree with what I believe.

 

As for Mr Corbyn: He had meetings with terrorists to talk to them. Is that supporting terrorism? I don't think so. If you want to reach a peaceful agreement, you have to talk to people you may not like and fundamentally disagree with, but the alternative is trying to beat them into submission with bullets and bombs, and people get killed.

Terrorists are willing to die for what they believe, (and take innocent people down with them.) They hold extremely strong views, that makes them very difficult to deal with to say the least. But they have to be listened to to reach a settlement. Do you agree with what Margaret Thatcher did when she banned their voices from the media? Did that help? (serious question) Remember this is a woman who regarded Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.

I do appreciate that as you were literally in the firing line you will have very strong views of your own and I respect that, but do you honestly think the terrorists were fighting over nothing? (That's another serious question.)

 

As for Mr Corbyn being a man of the people, I thought it was obvious to everyone. His ideas are what I have been saying / thinking for years, and it's great to hear a politician saying it, that's his appeal. He thinks that things need to change, that politics has ti be cleaned up, that MPs sould represent the views of the people and not their own self interest. That attacking the most vulnerable in society is not acceptable. That Corporations etc should pay all the tax they are supposed to, and we need to do whatever we can to make sure they do (and drastically cutting the number of people who collect it is not going to help.) Collect the tax they owe and spend it on restoring public services. Lobbying in Parliament has gone too far, That the power of the richest 1% is out of control and undemocratic. That the gap between the richest 1% and the poorest in society is obscene. That the link between work and reward must be reclaimed for the lowest paid, that 0 hours, short term contracts etc leads to unstable families and that leads to an unstable society.That we should be looking after and protecting our environment instead of destroying it.

 

And so on. I really can't cover it all here. But it's easy enough to see him in action on Youtube etc. This isn't just rhetoric, he has solutions fully costed. He isn't an enemy of big business, he recognises we need them and have to work with them for a wealthier economy, and that in turn will make us all better off, but the money has to be better spent and not wasted. He has ideas for that too. And he listens, really listens, and tries to come up with practical solutions. He's flexible, and a pragmatist when he has to be. He knows not everyone will agree with him and that's OK. He will give way to the majority voice if he has to. It's a strength, not a weakness. And he's an honest man with integrity.

 

He really is a new kind of politician honed by years of experience. That's why I will probably be voting for him in the upcoming leadership contest (although I will be researching and listening to what Owen Smith has to say too before I decide.)

Another 182,000 people have paid their £25 and joined the party in the last few days. The Labour party membership has never grown like this before. And that's with naff all help from the media who are as biased as ever.

Are they all simply idiots? I really don't think so.

[alchresearch]

Her entire speech was nicked from Corbyn

 

So how do you feel about this Anna:

 

Jeremy Corbyn tells Labour MPs to get behind the party

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36852222

 

In his speech launching his campaign for re-election, Mr Corbyn vowed to tackle the "five ills of 21st Century Britain" - inequality, neglect, prejudice, insecurity and discrimination.

 

Drawing inspiration from the 1942 Beveridge report - which identified "five giant evils" and is widely regarded as being the foundation of the post-war welfare state - Mr Corbyn committed to coming up with regular detailed policies to tackle the obstacles "holding individuals and communities back".

 

Or is "drawing inspiration" completely different in your book?

 

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He really is a new kind of politician honed by years of experience.

 

No, he's a very very old kind of politician, who has spent years on the back benches and now very much out of his depth, but doing well with a bunch of followers with their blinkers firmly on and circulating pro-Corbyn, Anti-Smith propaganda memes via Facebook and other social media, which isn't regulated and can peddle all kinds of lies and untruths, much like this:

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnph4aPWYAAFTz-.jpg

 

I believe the "arms fair" in question was the DPRTE defence fair, in Smith's area "showcasing an extremely wide variety of innovative products ranging from armoured vehicles to medical supplies".

 

Now if Corbyn's supporters don't think our armed forces deserves representatives looking to invest in better vehicles and medical supplies.......

Edited July 21, 2016 by alchresearch

[Anna B]

So how do you feel about this Anna:

 

Jeremy Corbyn tells Labour MPs to get behind the party

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36852222

 

 

 

Or is "drawing inspiration" completely different in your book?

 

What are you on about? He can get his inspiration from wherever he likes.... And he's right, they are evils or don't you think so?

The Labour MPs should be behind him.

 

As for using social media, well he's had to hasn't he, if it's the only way he can get his message across. He's probably an expert by now. He also invites ideas, comments and questions from the public. So not such an 'old fashioned' kind of politician after all.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Anna B