The consequence thread (Brexit)

[tzijlstra]

It's to do with UK people obtaining healthcare in Spain (your point), which according to the NHS' own and current website (which I linked) is still done under their EHIC, which is 100% EU.

 

Feel free to check more recent articles to see whether the situation has actually changed since 01 July 2014

 

Remember that the EHIC applies to both residents (what the article is about) and tourists, the EHIC of each of whom will be rendered about as useful as a chocolate fireguard once the UK leaves the EU.

 

It's alright l00b, the UK is going to be an EEA member. It gets to keep the EU regulations in place.

 

What is unfortunate though is that I have already heard of two families that migrated to Spain having to come back, most likely, because the weak pound makes living there more expensive and because the Spanish are talking more and more about taxing Pensioners in Spain like others. In other words, the tax-agreement (you pay tax in one state, you don't have to pay it again in another) within the EU is at stake and it is scaring people.

 

I expect to see this uncertainty translate in an influx of OAPs from EU countries in the coming year. Unless certainty about this issue, and the EHIC, are resolved soon, Britain is going to increase its average age quite significantly.

 

PS - the kicker, both families were not allowed to vote in the referendum.

[foxy lady]

It's to do with UK people obtaining healthcare in Spain (your point), which according to the NHS' own and current website (which I linked) is still done under their EHIC, which is 100% EU.

 

Feel free to check more recent articles to see whether the situation has actually changed since 01 July 2014

 

Remember that the EHIC applies to both residents (what the article is about) and tourists, the EHIC of each of whom will be rendered about as useful as a chocolate fireguard once the UK leaves the EU.

 

Oh well. If that's what you want to think. It seems there is no hope for all those Europeans who currently visit our shores. It would appear from your viewpoint that the EU is about to brush their health interests aside in the name of petty bureaucracy. Indeed it seems the EU jumped the gun and Spain cut the link a few years early.

 

I myself simply buy annual travel insurance, which ticks all the boxes, allows me to tavel anywhere in the world, and not be at the mercy of the politicians and their squabbles.

Edited June 27, 2016 by foxy lady

[DnAuK]

Just to change things a bit... One of my Polish friends woke up this morning to find a notice on a lamp post by his car which read 'LEAVE THE EU - No more Polish Vermin'.

 

Apparently these have been springing up throughout the country. Wherever there are Polish centres. It appears that once consequence of this entire referendum is that it has brought out the worst in people.

[foxy lady]

It's alright l00b, the UK is going to be an EEA member. It gets to keep the EU regulations in place.

 

What is unfortunate though is that I have already heard of two families that migrated to Spain having to come back, most likely, because the weak pound makes living there more expensive and because the Spanish are talking more and more about taxing Pensioners in Spain like others. In other words, the tax-agreement (you pay tax in one state, you don't have to pay it again in another) within the EU is at stake and it is scaring people.

 

I expect to see this uncertainty translate in an influx of OAPs from EU countries in the coming year. Unless certainty about this issue, and the EHIC, are resolved soon, Britain is going to increase its average age quite significantly.

 

PS - the kicker, both families were not allowed to vote in the referendum.

 

Well, as the referendum was only on Thursday, I would assume that this has little to do with an EU referendum and more to do with the Spanish and their dislike of the British. That has its roots back in Gibraltar, and if I recall correctly resulted in hundreds of Brits having to demolish holiday homes in Spain, a decade ago, and hand the land to the state.

Edited June 27, 2016 by foxy lady

[tzijlstra]

Just to change things a bit... One of my Polish friends woke up this morning to find a notice on a lamp post by his car which read 'LEAVE THE EU - No more Polish Vermin'.

 

Apparently these have been springing up throughout the country. Wherever there are Polish centres. It appears that once consequence of this entire referendum is that it has brought out the worst in people.

 

I heard about this happening in the Midlands, has it spread to Sheffield now?

 

---------- Post added 27-06-2016 at 10:21 ----------

 

Well I would assume that this has little to do with an EU referendum and more to do with the Spanish and their dislike of the British. That has its roots back in Gibraltar, and if I recall correctly resulted in hundreds of Brits having to demolish holiday homes in Spain, a decade ago, and hand the land to the state.

 

Agreed, it doesn't fix the issue these poor people face on an immediate basis though.

[DnAuK]

I heard about this happening in the Midlands, has it spread to Sheffield now?

 

Well he is Leeds... but seems like it has definitely come to Yorkshire, yes. After seeing the same thing chanted at a Channel 4 reporter in Barnsley on Friday night it made me embarrassed to live there. But then I'm quite embarrassed to be English right now. I'd say I'd be much happier if I was Dutch like you Tim, but have a suspicion the Netherlands might go the same way. What do you think?

[tzijlstra]

Well he is Leeds... but seems like it has definitely come to Yorkshire, yes. After seeing the same thing chanted at a Channel 4 reporter in Barnsley on Friday night it made me embarrassed to live there. But then I'm quite embarrassed to be English right now. I'd say I'd be much happier if I was Dutch like you Tim, but have a suspicion the Netherlands might go the same way. What do you think?

 

I think the Dutch election will decide what is going to happen, and that will be influenced by the outcome of Brexit. At the moment most Dutch people I know are completely flabbergasted at the complete and utter chaos that seems to reign in British politics as a result of this referendum.

 

A lot will depend on how the VVD and CDA (both conservative, the latter Christian conservative) are going to position themselves. But as things stand, I don't think they fancy a repeat of the 'push self-destruct button' option that Cameron took.

 

Popular support for Nexit is overstated here though, it exists but the proportional representation system means people are generally better represented in parliament. Wilders (Our Farage) is leading the biggest party according to the polls at the moment but that usually doesn't translate into actual results come the general elections. I am also, increasingly, seeing Wilders supporters I know switch to the socialist party (SP) and I suspect they will gain even more of that vote. They have made it clear they don't want a referendum because they feel that, although the EU has faults, it needs to be fixed from within.

 

So the only party advocating a vote is Wilders' party and he won't get a majority for that call unless VVD and CDA are desperate to cling to power and agree to it.

 

All in the balance though.

[nightrider]

It's alright l00b, the UK is going to be an EEA member. It gets to keep the EU regulations in place.

 

What is unfortunate though is that I have already heard of two families that migrated to Spain having to come back, most likely, because the weak pound makes living there more expensive and because the Spanish are talking more and more about taxing Pensioners in Spain like others. In other words, the tax-agreement (you pay tax in one state, you don't have to pay it again in another) within the EU is at stake and it is scaring people.

 

I expect to see this uncertainty translate in an influx of OAPs from EU countries in the coming year. Unless certainty about this issue, and the EHIC, are resolved soon, Britain is going to increase its average age quite significantly.

 

PS - the kicker, both families were not allowed to vote in the referendum.

 

The double tax treaties are nothing to do with the EU? At least the one we have with France references France, and not the EU.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/496672/france_dtc_-_in_force.pdf

[DnAuK]

I think the Dutch election will decide what is going to happen, and that will be influenced by the outcome of Brexit. At the moment most Dutch people I know are completely flabbergasted at the complete and utter chaos that seems to reign in British politics as a result of this referendum.

 

A lot will depend on how the VVD and CDA (both conservative, the latter Christian conservative) are going to position themselves. But as things stand, I don't think they fancy a repeat of the 'push self-destruct button' option that Cameron took.

 

Popular support for Nexit is overstated here though, it exists but the proportional representation system means people are generally better represented in parliament. Wilders (Our Farage) is leading the biggest party according to the polls at the moment but that usually doesn't translate into actual results come the general elections. I am also, increasingly, seeing Wilders supporters I know switch to the socialist party (SP) and I suspect they will gain even more of that vote. They have made it clear they don't want a referendum because they feel that, although the EU has faults, it needs to be fixed from within.

 

So the only party advocating a vote is Wilders' party and he won't get a majority for that call unless VVD and CDA are desperate to cling to power and agree to it.

 

All in the balance though.

 

Good to know. I'm considering getting out while I can if I'm honest. And whilst Denmark would be top of my list, it's a bit pricey so Netherlands would be a good second choice. I will be very interested to see how the vote goes there.

[tzijlstra]

The double tax treaties are nothing to do with the EU? At least the one we have with France references France, and not the EU.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/496672/france_dtc_-_in_force.pdf

 

I stand corrected. Even so - Brexit could well have an influence on these treaties.

 

---------- Post added 27-06-2016 at 10:46 ----------

 

Good to know. I'm considering getting out while I can if I'm honest. And whilst Denmark would be top of my list, it's a bit pricey so Netherlands would be a good second choice. I will be very interested to see how the vote goes there.

 

Don't expect a happy liberal land if you do go. Divisions are deep everywhere, not just the UK. I have made a list of preference for residence with my wife. Long term we see our future in: Scotland, Norway, Sweden, Canada, Netherlands, England, Latvia, Germany, in that order.