The consequence thread (Brexit)

[The Joker]

So at least you admit to being a clown, now tell us why we should believe anything you say, them big shoes are tripping you up.

 

Pete, you've been carrying a lot of anger and hatred around with you for many, many years.

 

It's not at all healthy.

 

Now I know I've asked you this before, but it's worth asking you again:

 

Do you need a hug or something? Strictly platonic, of course.

[apelike]

Wrong, you are so wrong.

 

The old biddies wanted out 'cos their pensions are safe & secure and they wanted to stick two fingers up to Johnny Foreigner.

 

I have stated this several time already but will just state it again. I and many of my age did not vote leave to stick two fingers up to Johnny Foreigner. I voted leave because I am certain that the EU will soon collapse as it has become too big and bureaucratic for its own good. One of its worst mistake was introducing the Euro and have all member countries adhering to the same rules without much flexibility. Next year will be a turning point for the EU, not because of brexit but because I very much doubt that France and Germany will be in a good or strong political position after their elections. I am sure that Hollande and Merkel will be kicked out as I believe their positions have now become untenable. They no longer listen to their peoples, do not want flexibility and only want to keep going forward with their flawed EU dream. The voters in their country do not want an unconditional migrant policy and yet she has ruled out any change or any restrictions on cross border policy despite the recent attacks by asylum seekers and others.

 

Next year we will see a major shift or even the start of a collapse in the EU when other members will also want out. I'm sure May also realises that problems are ahead for the EU hence the delay in invoking A50. When that happens the Euro will dive bomb and the Pound will rise.

[Berberis]

Pete, you've been carrying a lot of anger and hatred around with you for many, many years.

 

It's not at all healthy.

 

Now I know I've asked you this before, but it's worth asking you again:

 

Do you need a hug or something? Strictly platonic, of course.

 

It usually boils down to they don't like brown people.

 

---------- Post added 29-07-2016 at 14:17 ----------

 

Daily Express Forced To Remove List Of Things We’d ‘Get Back’ If We Left The EU Because It Wasn’t True

 

The Daily Express has been forced remove a list of “amazing things” it claimed the UK would “get back” if we left the European Union.

 

In a correction published on its website, the paper explained that in a gallery of 11 images entitled “Amazing things we get back if we leave EU”, four of the inclusions were actually incorrect.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daily-express-forced-to-remove-listicle-of-things-we-would-get-back-if-we-leave-the-eu_uk_579b33ede4b07cb01dcf7871?edition=uk

 

The sad reality of the UK now, led into a huge change by a group that did not like listening to 'Experts' but then failed to do any research themselves.

[retep]

It usually boils down to they don't like brown people.

 

---------- Post added 29-07-2016 at 14:17 ----------

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daily-express-forced-to-remove-listicle-of-things-we-would-get-back-if-we-leave-the-eu_uk_579b33ede4b07cb01dcf7871?edition=uk

 

The sad reality of the UK now, led into a huge change by a group that did not like listening to 'Experts' but then failed to do any research themselves.

 

That chip must be heavy.

 

---------- Post added 29-07-2016 at 14:35 ----------

 

Pete, you've been carrying a lot of anger and hatred around with you for many, many years.

 

It's not at all healthy.

 

Now I know I've asked you this before, but it's worth asking you again:

 

Do you need a hug or something? Strictly platonic, of course.

 

It seems you have too, try hugging a hoodie, the tree isn't to keen.

[The Joker]

It seems you have too, try hugging a hoodie, the tree isn't to keen.

 

And very therapeutic it was too.

 

You should try it

[petemcewan]

For the Joker,

I thought you might like a bit of light entertainment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2D8MB5s8Jg

[The Joker]

For the Joker,

I thought you might like a bit of light entertainment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2D8MB5s8Jg

 

Ah thanks Pete, that cheered me up

 

Ze Germanese, you just can't stay mad at them can you?

 

You know, I think I've finally forgiven them for WW1 and 2

[petemcewan]

Ah thanks Pete, that cheered me up

 

Ze Germanese, you just can't stay mad at them can you?

 

You know, I think I've finally forgiven them for WW1 and 2

 

Glad it made you smile. I forgave them ages ago. But I still roll up when

I watch ,"Allo, Allo". Herr Flick -comic genius.

[Eater Sundae]

Ah thanks Pete, that cheered me up

 

Ze Germanese, you just can't stay mad at them can you?

 

You know, I think I've finally forgiven them for WW1 and 2

 

I've forgiven them for WWI and WWII, but not for Milli Vanilli.

[mossdog]

.......some reasons why people voted for Brexit,from an American perspective!

 

On June 23, the UK had a referendum in which 52% of voters opted to leave the European Union. I applaud Britain for leaving the corrupt, costly, and dysfunctional EU. It may be the best thing that’s happened to Europe since the end of World War 2. And, I think, it signals the start of some major new trends.

 

In principle, the idea of the European Union sounded good. All the signatory countries joined a customs union so goods and people could flow freely.

 

The idea was to both increase general prosperity and decrease the chances of another war. It sounds very libertarian—in principle. But in practice it turned out very differently. And may wind up doing the opposite of its intended purpose.

 

Europeans could have had all the benefits of free trade simply by eliminating all import duties and quotas—a very simple and costless solution. Having duties and quotas amount to putting your own country under embargo. They increase the costs and decrease the availability of foreign goods and services; that lowers a country’s competitiveness while decreasing its standard of living. It sounds insane.

 

Why would any country want to do that? Because some industries and unions in the country want to keep out competition. Duties and quotas can help them, even though hurting the country at large. Politicians also like duties and quotas because they give them additional power, tax revenue, and opportunities for bribery.

 

If a country really wants to prosper to the greatest degree, it will unilaterally drop all duties and quotas. No trade agreements are necessary.

 

But that would have been too easy for the Eurocrats. Instead, they set up a gigantic bureaucracy in Brussels. They did eliminate internal duties between EU members, but at the cost of regulating everything within the EU while retaining duties and quotas against non-EU members. The EU employs 50,000 functionaries, imbued with dirigiste attitudes. Pound for pound they’re much more obstructive than those working within the Washington Beltway. Europe is, after all, the ancestral home of cultural Marxism, and the people who take it most seriously all want to work in Brussels.

 

The EU has reduced the standard of living of the average European. But perhaps its creation was inevitable since the average European is overwhelmingly socialist or fascist in philosophy. They seem to love the idea of government, as big, and strong, and with as many layers as possible. But the bigger and more complex any organization gets, the more likely it is to fail. My prediction that the Continent will one day just be a giant petting zoo for the Chinese is intact—assuming the current wave of migrants approve.

 

400 million Europeans now have to deal with regulation coming from Brussels as well as from their town councils, provinces, and national governments. On a local level there was at least some semblance of control since those laws were passed by people with the same language, ethnicity, and culture. The laws were destructive, but at least they were imposed from within. But the EU adds thousands of new laws and regulations, created by a class of people who are responsible mainly to other members of their own class in Brussels. They’re united by the ridiculous ideas they picked up in university from their Marxist professors.

 

EU regulations dictate the shapes of bananas and cucumbers. Manufacturers of bottled water aren’t allowed to say it fights dehydration. There are laws against unsupervised children blowing up balloons. Laws against unlabeled olive oil in restaurants, the amount of cinnamon in certain pastries, the maximum size of vacuum cleaner motors, the disposal of tea bags, and the “correct” methods of producing hundreds of varieties of French cheeses.

 

You’ve likely heard of these regs simply because they’re so outrageous and nonsensical. They’re annoying, but actually quite trivial. What you don’t hear about is a vast body of agricultural, industrial, and labor regulations because they are technical and affect businesses more than consumers. Meanwhile, 10,000 registered lobbyists circulate around Brussels inducing Eurocrats to pass laws favoring this or outlawing that and distribute an annual budget of about 150 billion euros among the politically favored. That is where the real damage is done.

 

The EU also aggravates the current problem with migrants from the Middle East and Africa. All Western European governments are massive welfare states with free food, housing, medical care, schooling, and living expenses for citizens. And even for residents who aren’t citizens. Benefits like these will naturally draw in poor people from poor countries. That’s why France, Belgium, Holland, and the UK already have substantial and rapidly growing minorities of Muslims. The governments of Sweden and Norway are actually importing these people, at great expense. The EU not only promotes bad policies, but makes the whole continent bear the burden of mistakes made by its most misguided members.

 

The free-market solution to the migrant situation is quite simple. If all the property of a country is privately owned, anyone can come and stay as long as he can pay for his accommodations. When even the streets and parks are privately owned, trespassers and squatters have a problem. A country with 100% private property, and zero welfare, would attract people who like those conditions. And they’d undoubtedly be welcome as individuals. But “migration” would be impossible.

 

Some have said that Britain shouldn’t Brexit because it will cause chaos. There’s some truth to that—but not because what Britain did was in any way destructive. Their action is best compared to that of passengers on a sinking ship who are the first ones to board a lifeboat. Nietzsche had it right when he said “that which is about to fall deserves to be pushed.” Any chaos that occurs is the result of the EU’s flaws, not Britain’s exit. It’s as if you have a 100-story building which is about to collapse. It’s better to arrange a controlled demolition than wait for it to fall at a random time.