I1L2T3 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Good. A mortgage for a home, perhaps a car, fair enough, but in general we need to be much less of a credit/debt driven society. It's a good goal to aim for but the risk is things moving too quickly and causing the economy to contract too rapidly. It's just one of many alarm bells that are ringing ---------- Post added 30-08-2016 at 18:10 ---------- Er, it's HM who has the Royal Prerogative. The queen is hardly likely to say no is she if May does decide to use Prerogative powers. That said the outcome would be interesting if the queen did say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 It's a good goal to aim for but the risk is things moving too quickly and causing the economy to contract too rapidly. It's just one of many alarm bells that are ringing ---------- Post added 30-08-2016 at 18:10 ---------- The queen is hardly likely to say no is she if May does decide to use Prerogative powers. That said the outcome would be interesting if the queen did say no. It is a well known fact that the Queen wants out, Mr Gove said so. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-claims-michael-gove-leaked-queen-backs-brexit-story-to-the-sun-a7177151.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 This thread is just going round and round in circles now. The issue of the £350 million was addressed about 3000 posts back. we are going to discuss each £1 ---------- Post added 30-08-2016 at 18:47 ---------- The Remain campaign was very poor. T david cameron thought he was going to win comfortably and wound back the campaign and particularly the blue-on-blue attacks to try and keep the tory party together ---------- Post added 30-08-2016 at 18:51 ---------- Er, it's HM who has the Royal Prerogative. many of the perogative powers are outsourced to the prime minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 david cameron thought he was going to win comfortably and wound back the campaign and particularly the blue-on-blue attacks to try and keep the tory party together On the face of it, from David Camerons point of view, this referendum was a monumental **** up! you normally hold a referendum when you are proposing a fundamental change, ie LEAVING the EU, but he held one proposing to remain, in other words, keep things as they are. A keep-things-as-they-are proposal was very uninspiring, especially when people can see how this country is going to the dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Smith Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 david cameron thought he was going to win comfortably and wound back the campaign and particularly the blue-on-blue attacks to try and keep the tory party together The big problem with all of this, and the seed that started it all, was that Cameron never thought he`d win the election. He assumed all the brain dead policies (like the possibility we might have to leave the EU and sales of housing association houses) wouldn`t ever have to be enacted because the Liberals would veto them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 On the face of it, from David Camerons point of view, this referendum was a monumental **** up! you normally hold a referendum when you are proposing a fundamental change, ie LEAVING the EU, but he held one proposing to remain, in other words, keep things as they are. A keep-things-as-they-are proposal was very uninspiring, especially when people can see how this country is going to the dogs. Was the last referendum re Europe a vote as to whether we stay in the EEC? 1975 after we joined in '73? Yesssssssss 'twas. More recently there was the AV referendum and the Scotish Independence referendum. Perhaps you know of others that back your wobbly theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Was the last referendum re Europe a vote as to whether we stay in the EEC? 1975 after we joined in '73? Yesssssssss 'twas. More recently there was the AV referendum and the Scotish Independence referendum. Perhaps you know of others that back your wobbly theory? Unlike you I make observations of events beyond just these shores. Oh and btw, yes the British government allowed it, but it was the Scottish nationalists that instigated the Independence referendum, to make a fundamental CHANGE. So there! Oh and btw again, It was the Liberal Democrats, that were a part of the government at the time, that instigated a referendum to fundamentaly CHANGE our voting system. So there....again! Edited August 30, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Unlike you I make observations of events beyond these shores. Oh and btw, yes the British government allowed it, but it was the Scottish nationalists that instigated the Independence referendum, to make a fundamental CHANGE. So there! Go on then Al, lets have an example of a referendum from overseas. Your argument is based on semantics and is trivial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Smith Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 On the face of it, from David Camerons point of view, this referendum was a monumental **** up! you normally hold a referendum when you are proposing a fundamental change, ie LEAVING the EU, but he held one proposing to remain, in other words, keep things as they are. A keep-things-as-they-are proposal was very uninspiring, especially when people can see how this country is going to the dogs. You have just put your finger on why there should never have been a referendum. I spoke to a few people who had voted to leave, and asked them why they`d done so. More than one said the same thing you`ve just done "because the country is going to the dogs / things couldn`t be any worse" etc etc. We`ll ignore the obvious fact that things could indeed be a lot worse and just concentrate on the fact they`re just blaming the EU for most of what they perceive to be wrong with this country. A fundamental error, confusing a load of different things and simplistically blaming an easy target they think they can change without much problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) You have just put your finger on why there should never have been a referendum. I spoke to a few people who had voted to leave, and asked them why they`d done so. More than one said the same thing you`ve just done "because the country is going to the dogs / things couldn`t be any worse" etc etc. We`ll ignore the obvious fact that things could indeed be a lot worse and just concentrate on the fact they`re just blaming the EU for most of what they perceive to be wrong with this country. A fundamental error, confusing a load of different things and simplistically blaming an easy target they think they can change without much problem. One thing I heard a couple of times during the process was that in referendums the status quo is at an advantage. But that sounded statistically dubious to me; up til June 23rd there had only ever been two full UK referendums in the UK. The first on continued EEC membership and the second on AV. I don't agree with Alan's comment about CHANGE (so there!) at all. It's purely semantics. Furthermore, the UK government (that being the Tory party) was officially neutral on the referendum. The government wasn't arguing one way or the other. Edited August 31, 2016 by Santo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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