andyofborg Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 "Inspection" counts as "having something done to it"? yeah it does Tell me this sort of thing doesn't go in moving in and out of the EU's internal market already? You're describing modern globalised trade, not a feature of the internal market. it does go on already that's the whole point of the piece i posted. to all intents and purposes the internal market behaves like a globalised market which is only available to it's members and that's the whole point of trying to retain access to it at as low a tariff as possible. there is very little which has to be done in this country because it can't be done anywhere else. the companies based in this country get the business because their offering is better (however you define better) than their competitors. once you start sticking tariffs on us then the value propositions change and either the companies here lose the business or they relocate into the EU either way that's not a particularly good outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 There were many 16 / 17 year olds on June 23rd denied a chance to vote on their future who were overwhelming in favour of staying in . They were not denied a chance to vote as they were not eligible to vote in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) They were not denied a vote as they were not eligible to vote in the first place. Quite. My 2 dogs were denied the right to vote as well. I suppose that's because they're from Romania. Why 16 then? Why not 14, or 12, or 3? Should we be seeking the political views of a foetus? Edited October 17, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yes. They were denied. That's as stupid as saying that women were not denied a vote in the early 1900's because they were not eligible. It's as stupid as saying that someone's not denied access to a fairground ride for being too tall because they were never eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 yeah it does it does go on already that's the whole point of the piece i posted. to all intents and purposes the internal market behaves like a globalised market which is only available to it's members and that's the whole point of trying to retain access to it at as low a tariff as possible. there is very little which has to be done in this country because it can't be done anywhere else. the companies based in this country get the business because their offering is better (however you define better) than their competitors. once you start sticking tariffs on us then the value propositions change and either the companies here lose the business or they relocate into the EU either way that's not a particularly good outcome. Again. I'm sure that's a real effect, but in the worst case of WTO MFN status we face an average tariff of 2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 It's already a very real loss. 20% of the value of the entire country. No, the exchange rate has changed altering the value of the pound which is not the value of the entire country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Again. I'm sure that's a real effect, but in the worst case of WTO MFN status we face an average tariff of 2%. I think the keyword is "average". Some industries will get hit a lot harder than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 No, the exchange rate has changed altering the value of the pound which is not the value of the entire country. What do you think the exchange rate reflects? Are people really that unaware of what an exchange rate is and why it changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Yes. They were denied. To be denied something you first have to request it. I didn't see any petition to request votes for 16/17 year olds. Now, the ex-pats and some others were denied a vote but that was part of the referendum act. ---------- Post added 17-10-2016 at 12:13 ---------- What do you think the exchange rate reflects? Are people really that unaware of what an exchange rate is and why it changes? I think most reasonable people would understand that the exchange rate is not the wealth of the country and just like shares it can go up or down. Edited October 17, 2016 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I think the keyword is "average". Some industries will get hit a lot harder than others. Certainly. Anybody who specialises in selling German made cars is going to have a rough time of it. Likewise anybody who sells French agricultural products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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