The consequence thread (Brexit)

[Obelix]

To be denied something you first have to request it. I didn't see any petition to request votes for 16/17 year olds. Now, the ex-pats and some others were denied a vote but that was part of the referendum act.

 

My dictionary indicates the first entry as "to not allow"

 

Says nothing about people having requested it first.

 

But you are willing to discuss the semantics of a verb purely so you don't have to address the concerns behind it. That's very telling indeed.

 

Why do you think it's right then that people are not permitted to vote (we all know it's denied but I'll be nice to you) in something that will have a monumentous effect on their lives?

 

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I think most reasonable people would understand that the exchange rate is not the wealth of the country and just like shares it can go up or down.

 

What is the exchange rate then?

 

Where does the valuation of the currency come from?

 

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Certainly. Anybody who specialises in selling German made cars is going to have a rough time of it. Likewise anybody who sells French agricultural products.

 

Yup. Brexit means you get to stick it good to the nasty Huns and the Frogs so all's excellent right?

[unbeliever]

Yup. Brexit means you get to stick it good to the nasty Huns and the Frogs so all's excellent right?

 

No of course not. I would not advocate imposing such tariffs unless the EU reject an offer of tariff free trade which I'm 99% certain will be forthcoming from the UK government. This doesn't have to get unpleasant unless the EU make it so.

[lizmachin]

Certainly. Anybody who specialises in selling German made cars is going to have a rough time of it. Likewise anybody who sells French agricultural products.

 

I would imagine anyone considering a German car if the prices goes up 10% might well consider buying a British made one instead. Who knows the Germans might think it worthwhile to build a factory over in the UK rather than lose sales of several hundred thousand cars every year.

[Obelix]

No of course not. I would not advocate imposing such tariffs unless the EU reject an offer of tariff free trade which I'm 99% certain will be forthcoming from the UK government. This doesn't have to get unpleasant unless the EU make it so.

 

There is a tory councillor wanting people who would like to stay in the EU be branded as traitors and you think this isn't yet unpleasant....?

 

wow.....

[unbeliever]

There is a tory councillor wanting people who would like to stay in the EU be branded as traitors and you think this isn't yet unpleasant....?

 

wow.....

 

That man should be forced to resign his office and expelled from the party.

[apelike]

My dictionary indicates the first entry as "to not allow"

 

Says nothing about people having requested it first.

 

But you are willing to discuss the semantics of a verb purely so you don't have to address the concerns behind it. That's very telling indeed.

 

Why do you think it's right then that people are not permitted to vote (we all know it's denied but I'll be nice to you) in something that will have a monumentous effect on their lives?

 

Its not worth discussing this as it is now immaterial to this thread. Start another if you want a discussion on it.

 

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What is the exchange rate then?

 

Where does the valuation of the currency come from?

 

The value of the currency is a reflection in the predictions of the future economic status of the country and is dictated by many factors around the globe. For instance its predicted that the USA may at some time in the future raise interest rates. Doing so will also have a negative impact on the value of the pound.

Edited October 17, 2016 by apelike

[NigelFargate]

In years to come, there is in my view a reasonable possibility that the UK will be widely recognised and lauded as the first country (but by no means the last) to strike a telling blow against the anachronistic, insular, pan-European nationalist ideology which is at the heart of the EU. The EU prides itself on being forward-looking project, but in reality it is nothing of the kind. Although the roots of this ideology can be traced back to the nineteenth century, most of its central tenets can be traced to the mid-twentieth century. We are now well into the 21st century, but the EU is still hidebound by the dogmas and false certainties of a bygone era, particularly with regard to the putatively progessive nature of tight regional blocs. Not for the first time in European history, the UK is playing a leading role in exposing the 'nonsense on stilts' of a dogmatic European ideology.

[Mr Gobby]

 

Unlike you're ability to quote.

 

I don't have the ability to be childish either.

[L00b]

Certainly. Anybody who specialises in selling German made cars is going to have a rough time of it. Likewise anybody who sells French agricultural products.

You might want to look at the figures for far-less-glam and far-from-the-public-eye heavy engineering and industrial electrics goods.

 

Then reconsider statistics for your 'German made cars' in context.

 

Just sayin'

I would imagine anyone considering a German car if the prices goes up 10% might well consider buying a British made one instead. Who knows the Germans might think it worthwhile to build a factory over in the UK rather than lose sales of several hundred thousand cars every year.

Any pre-Brexit stock is still on forecourts and paid-for orders are still being built at pre-Brexit prices.

 

But new stock and orders are already 20% more expensive now, never mind after any tariffs on top in x years' time.

 

As for buying a British-built Merc, Audi or Beemer equivalent...I'll give you the Beemer Mini, but...really?!?

 

As for building factories in the UK for the domestic market, I would suggest that you look at the poverty-spec Mercs, Audis and Beemers that have long been the bread and butter of Irish german car dealers (and the reason why UK 2nd hands sales to Irish residents have beem so healthy for equally so long). A more accurate shape of things to come, methinks, considering significantly less British sales are to be expected from the years of economical turmoil ahead. It's cheaper to manufacture more of the same pauper-spec RHDs to price compete, than to build a whole new factory (in the alternative, still cheaper to expand export production capacity in their BRICs plants).

 

Car manufacturing job losses in the UK will not be made good by slack from more expensive imports. Volume employment trends in e.g. the domestic steel industry show as much. Plan for longer car ownership and slower-depreciating 2nd hand values in the UK instead.

The value of the currency is a reflection in the predictions of the future economic status of the country and is dictated by many factors around the globe. For instance its predicted that the USA may at some time in the future raise interest rates. Doing so will also have a negative impact on the value of the pound.

The UK will raise its base rate before the US does. Mark my words. Edited October 17, 2016 by L00b

[Obelix]

Its not worth discussing this as it is now immaterial to this thread. Start another if you want a discussion on it..

 

I don't see that you get to be the arbeiter on what is discussed and what is not especially when it's rather embarrassing to you.

 

For what it's worth the disaffection of the youth in this country due to their being denied the vote is a very real consequence of Brexit so I'll continue to discuss it because you don't get to deny me that much as you wish you could.