Obelix Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Which will push the price of energy up even more if we do - but thats OK? and if you think renewables are bad you might want to tell the norwegians that btw. Im sure they will be all ears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Which will push the price of energy up even more if we do - but thats OK? and if you think renewables are bad you might want to tell the norwegians that btw. Im sure they will be all ears... It most certainly will not drive the price up. Almost all the comparisons you read for the cost of renewables electricity are false. The reason that they are false is that they ignore the cost of intermittency. Once you add in the cost of intermittency, renewables are horrifically expensive. Do you have an idea of what we should do for electricity on a still winter evening? There are solutions but they're all insanely expensive. And I do mean all. What's this about the Norwegians? I know a lot about Norwegian energy, but I need to know what you're driving at? Edit: You know what, it doesn't matter whether or not I manage to convince you that renewables are a terrible idea. That's not even the point. It is sufficient to establish that they're not the only option for low pollution, low CO2 energy and that the UK should be free to decide independently how it meets the goal of keeping pollution down whilst reducing CO2. Job done surely. Edited October 20, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 You seem to under the illusions I want a lot of intermittent renewables and that I know nothing about energy generation and supply. You are wrong on both counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) You seem to under the illusions I want a lot of intermittent renewables and that I know nothing about energy generation and supply. You are wrong on both counts. I am under no such impression. Nor do I need to understand, nor alter your perception or understanding of renewables. I only seek that you should acknowledge that renewables are not the only way to reduce CO2, nor is it established that it is the cheapest, and that the renewables mandate from the EU (one of several in this area) is therefore not a no brainer. That established, I have now fully addressed the question, often repeated on this thread, of what EU regulation I would like to have the right to change. Edited October 20, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Why should I be required to "acknowledge" something that I've never denied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Why should I be required to "acknowledge" something that I've never denied? You did suggest that my dislike of the renewables mandate meant that I wanted to "go back to being a big polluter". And further that other than renewable, low CO2 energy would "push the price of energy up even more". In addition you and tzilstra appeared to be mocking me for complaining about EU internal market regulation by suggesting that I had no specifics when I had in fact already explained at some length that energy regulation and policy would be where I personally would start. What was all that for if you don't intend to counter my position that the renewables energy mandate from the EU is dubious? As an aside, I assume that you're aware of the widespread damage inevitably caused to the economy of an industrialised nation, by policy which doubles the energy cost. I don't expect you to change your mind overall, but surely that belongs in the minus column when weighing up the wisdom of being inside the EU internal market, does it not? Edited October 20, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 An article on why remainers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/why-remainers-finding-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 An article on why remainers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/why-remainers-finding-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result. I had to double check that article wasn't straight out of the daily mash. What a load of codswollop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 There's a lack of suitable geographic features isn't there? ---------- Post added 20-10-2016 at 16:43 ---------- An article on why remainers are finding it hard to deal with the EU referendum result= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/why-remainers-finding-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result. Is it because we can see the country going to hell lead by a small band of merrily wooping idiots who "got our sovereignty" back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaati Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 A lot of posts have just been removed. This is due to personal attacks, bickering and everything that was in the quote train that went after it. It was impossible not to remove them and the thread still make sense (I tried as some of the posts were 'generally' ok). The attacks and insults are to cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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