Cynic Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I wonder how many remain voters are completely pro-eu. I know I'm not I just believe the alternative is worse due to the financial implications over the medium term for a lot of us. Everything leave voters seem to be bothered about has very little effect on me but an uncertain economy for the next few years does. I've no more confidence in our government making decisions that are positive for me than I have in the EU. I'd much rather have had this vote in 10 years when we weren't only just out of recession with things like record low interest rates indicating how precarious our current situation is. Edited June 25, 2016 by Cynic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 It's pretty simple. The UK is going through a process leading towards exit from the EU. Apparently this is done by invoking Article 50 (of the Lisbon Treaty?). We have had a referendum. We (in the form of our government) will then decide whether to bow to the will of the referendum (I presume it will), and at some point in the future (it looks like being over 3 months away according to DC's resignation speech), the new leader (on behalf of the government) will invoke Article 50. Then, and only then, will negotiations start, regardless of what the EU want us to do. It is possible that the UK government may want some extra time to think about the type of independent UK it wants, and so may delay even further before invoking article 50. The point is that nothing need happen until we push the button and invoke article 50, and until we do we don't need to speak to the rest of the EU about it, regardless of what they want. Having said all that, I would hope that just as a matter of planning, there will be, (and probably already has been just in case) some informal talks about how brexit could be achieved. The markets and banks are going to love the waiting......they love uncertainty don't they. Online petition about a second referendum already gathering pace folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So you can't name any of the MEP's then? The problem with EU laws is that they have to apply to all 28, soon to be 27 and falling further?, member states. As a result there is a lot of compromises are made and even then some nations will be happier with the laws made than others. Some laws we can veto but others we are stuck with them whether we want them or not. Human Rights? Great rule to protect those who most need it but falls foul when we want to deport serious criminals who commit offences on our shores. Conversely, the advantage of EU laws is that they apply to all member states. As a result, for example, a law to limit the degree of pollution of rivers will prevent any country from allowing high levels of pollution. Without it, a country might choose to allow its factories to save on costs and be more competitive by letting them discharge untreated effluent into its rivers, to the detriment of its people, and possibly the people in the next country as the river flows through it. There are lots of directives like this. I think there is a common misunderstanding regarding what these are trying to achieve. A result of this is we see headlines about restrictive EU beaurocracy and straight bananas. We hear less about cleaner rivers, cleaner beaches, improvements in air quality, better workers rights, safer goods, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The markets and banks are going to love the waiting......they love uncertainty don't they. Online petition about a second referendum already gathering pace folks. Bad losers..The government would'nt dare go against the majority who voted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elan Tedrona Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 And there it is folks AP: BREAKING: German foreign minister says negotiations on British EU exit should begin 'as soon as possible. French foreign minister: "Negotiations will start immediately (art. 50). Cameron has to live with the consequences." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The markets and banks are going to love the waiting......they love uncertainty don't they. Online petition about a second referendum already gathering pace folks. Oh I agree that the delays just extend the uncertainty. A second referendum would be a terrible idea (although there are plenty of brexiters who would have called for one had the vote gone the other way). How about a snap election with a "stay" manifesto. Is there time to create a reverse UKIP party? Or a coalition of the remainers? That'd put the cat amongst the pigeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psynuk Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I'm curious to hear some specific positive ideas of how being out of the eu will pan out. None of this blurry reduce immigration, closed borders, Nhs in crisis rubbish. Actual things that will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Online petition about a second referendum already gathering pace folks. They want a 60% majority for leave to validate Thursdays referendum. That's fine as long as we also rerun the 1975 referendum and require a 60% majority to validate joining in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 And there it is folks AP: BREAKING: German foreign minister says negotiations on British EU exit should begin 'as soon as possible. French foreign minister: "Negotiations will start immediately (art. 50). Cameron has to live with the consequences." As already pointed out, the only people who can invoke article 50 is the UK. The EU cannot force a member state out. The UK can take as long as it wants to. The EU is desperate to calm the financial and social uncertainty as they are currently losing money and facing calls for referendums in member states such as France and the Netherlands. Probably also desperate to ensure that the UK doesn't take up its seat as President of the Council of the EU in 2017, which even if we invoked Article 50 now, we could still do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileB Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Oh I agree that the delays just extend the uncertainty. A second referendum would be a terrible idea (although there are plenty of brexiters who would have called for one had the vote gone the other way). How about a snap election with a "stay" manifesto. Is there time to create a reverse UKIP party? Or a coalition of the remainers? That'd put the cat amongst the pigeons. 1.2 million and counting. 8 more million and it will match the number of over 65s who can vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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