Career advice - medicine or law?

[L00b]

L00b - Quote: I can tell you've never met any surgeons or consultants in your life.

 

What a silly thing to say.

 

Is tosh like that part of your opening statement in court? I wonder if you’ve ever won a case.

 

Most of us are touched by cancer in some way. Either directly or with a close relative or partner. The Sheffield Hospitals are world leading and access to Consultants is regular and supportive.

 

Your intellect and judgement are questionable. No wonder the law welcomed you. However, it is the medical profession’s loss. You’d have made a good porter. That is as long as you kept your ideas to yourself. Patently obvious.

 

Any aircraft sized bias you’ve seen clearly shows there’s no Specsavers on your way to work. You’re confusing it with the size of your ego and mouth. Again a professional requirement. Patently transparent.

 

But ego needs a further mention. Your post is all about you. I talk about the issue and don’t bang on about ‘me this’ and ‘me that’. You should consider how you come across to people. Abrasive doesn’t come close.

 

Debate the issue. Defend your profession by all means but lose the ego.

 

Eleven times you use ‘I’ in a sentence. It’s all about you. Whereas the Medical Profession is all about the patient.

 

That’s PATIENT not PATENT.

 

World of difference.

Good trolling effort, Owethemnowt. B+

 

I'd certainly welcome the opportunity of a frank and objective debate with you on the topic, but the sheer scale of the broad-brushed stereotyping of the legal profession in your posts is such, that little short of the full duration of a training contract would be required

 

My posts are grounded in practical experience. Yours in biased ignorance.

 

World of difference indeed

[Cyclone]

L00b - Quote: I can tell you've never met any surgeons or consultants in your life.

 

What a silly thing to say.

 

Is tosh like that part of your opening statement in court? I wonder if you’ve ever won a case.

 

Most of us are touched by cancer in some way. Either directly or with a close relative or partner. The Sheffield Hospitals are world leading and access to Consultants is regular and supportive.

 

Your intellect and judgement are questionable. No wonder the law welcomed you. However, it is the medical profession’s loss. You’d have made a good porter. That is as long as you kept your ideas to yourself. Patently obvious.

 

Any aircraft sized bias you’ve seen clearly shows there’s no Specsavers on your way to work. You’re confusing it with the size of your ego and mouth. Again a professional requirement. Patently transparent.

 

But ego needs a further mention. Your post is all about you. I talk about the issue and don’t bang on about ‘me this’ and ‘me that’. You should consider how you come across to people. Abrasive doesn’t come close.

 

Debate the issue. Defend your profession by all means but lose the ego.

 

Eleven times you use ‘I’ in a sentence. It’s all about you. Whereas the Medical Profession is all about the patient.

 

That’s PATIENT not PATENT.

 

World of difference.

 

You've missed the entire point of L00bs post and then proceeded to attack him personally instead of his argument.

You wouldn't make a good lawyer, or a good doctor.

[vwkittie]

Nobody wants to be average, but 49.9% of people are below it...

 

This word 'average', I do not think it means what you think it means

[Cyclone]

This word 'average', I do not think it means what you think it means

 

What do you think that I think it means?

 

If it helps my A-level maths includes a stats module, so I hope that I do understand it pretty well.

[vwkittie]

What do you think that I think it means?

 

If it helps my A-level maths includes a stats module, so I hope that I do understand it pretty well.

 

If the average salary is £23,000 (or whatever), that doesn't necessarily mean 49.9% of people are below that level

[redfox]

Good trolling effort, Owethemnowt. B+

 

I'd certainly welcome the opportunity of a frank and objective debate with you on the topic, but the sheer scale of the broad-brushed stereotyping of the legal profession in your posts is such, that little short of the full duration of a training contract would be required

 

My posts are grounded in practical experience. Yours in biased ignorance.

 

World of difference indeed

 

 

 

It isn't even close to a good effort - its ill- informed ranting - our 2nd six pupil would be shown the door if they produced such cobblers -

[L00b]

It isn't even close to a good effort - its ill- informed ranting

I only gave marks for the personal attacks, honest!

[wrinkly67]

What part of these jobs is she interested in? I'm asking as other careers may be open to her that still might be of interest.

 

Well worth thought and your daughter also exploring other options. I'm wondering what input her school has in her opting for medicine or law. I say this because, further to my earlier offering, (failed medic son) his school - which was an extremely good Secondary school with which we had no complaints - did "emphasise" both subjects to more able students. I feel its a great kudos to their results. A lot is learnt in hindsight and, only looking back did we realise that many other professions, including engineering in all its forms, was not as forthcoming from them. There seemed to be a bias as to medicine or law showing that you'd "made it". Is this happening to your daughter?

May I add, I think replies are veering way off course of the original query and not necessarily in a helpful way.

[L00b]

wrinkly67, you make an excellent point about medicine or law being perceived the professional fields to "make it". To my mind, that is because there is a long-enduring stereotype that professional legal and medical types are on big money, and that is the popular yardstick.

 

Which, perhaps through lack of information (after all, that's what makes stereotypes endure), does not factor in the amount of fairly fundamental changes to professional practice and the associated job market in the past couple of decades, nor the level of personal responsibility, liability, investment, workload and -cumulatively- stress that goes hand-in-hand with it.

 

Do something wrong as a non-professional, maybe get a disciplinary and a warning.

 

Do something wrong as a professional, and it can be the end of the career, full stop. And that's before considering what's been at stake for the patient (dead/permanently disabled)/client (costs, damages, prison <etc.>).

 

Funny that you should mention engineering. If I had to do it all again, I wouldn't do law. I'd work harder at school in STEM subjects and push for engineering (no, not medicine either). Somehow it looks more rewarding to conceive something, than correctly fitting a new hip or obtaining judgement for one's client: it's just as intellectually stimulating, but more "creatively constructive", than twisting the rubik cube of legal principles to try and get what a client wants.

 

All a personal judgement/perspective of course

 

PS - and one does not exclude the other. A commercial field currently in full expansion, and likely to remain so for many years to come, is bioengineering indeed.

Edited June 30, 2016 by L00b

[Cyclone]

If the average salary is £23,000 (or whatever), that doesn't necessarily mean 49.9% of people are below that level

 

Are you talking about the mean, the mode or the median?

 

---------- Post added 30-06-2016 at 17:22 ----------

 

wrinkly67, you make an excellent point about medicine or law being perceived the professional fields to "make it". To my mind, that is because there is a long-enduring stereotype that professional legal and medical types are on big money, and that is the popular yardstick.

 

Which, perhaps through lack of information (after all, that's what makes stereotypes endure), does not factor in the amount of fairly fundamental changes to professional practice and the associated job market in the past couple of decades, nor the level of personal responsibility, liability, investment, workload and -cumulatively- stress that goes hand-in-hand with it.

 

Do something wrong as a non-professional, maybe get a disciplinary and a warning.

 

Do something wrong as a professional, and it can be the end of the career, full stop. And that's before considering what's been at stake for the patient (dead/permanently disabled)/client (costs, damages, prison <etc.>).

 

Funny that you should mention engineering. If I had to do it all again, I wouldn't do law. I'd work harder at school in STEM subjects and push for engineering (no, not medicine either). Somehow it looks more rewarding to conceive something, than correctly fitting a new hip or obtaining judgement for one's client: it's just as intellectually stimulating, but more "creatively constructive", than twisting the rubik cube of legal principles to try and get what a client wants.

 

All a personal judgement/perspective of course

 

PS - and one does not exclude the other. A commercial field currently in full expansion, and likely to remain so for many years to come, is bioengineering indeed.

 

Engineering of course is extremely broad, it isn't all designing and/or building something.

My SO is a chartered engineer and spends most of her time proving that modifications to trains have met the safety requirements and/or that the testing performed has adequately demonstrated that they have met the safety requirements (amongst other safety related things).