The Eagle Has Landed.

[ANGELFIRE1]

So, the very small and squeaky Mz Eagle has thrown her hat into the ring. Come Monday she will officially be sacrificed by the Liebour elite and stand against the Corbyn.

 

In my mind Old Jeremy will swat her away and Liebour will effectively become two party's. The old Liebour with Jeremy and a new Labour with Chuka Amuna and his gang. Interesting times ahead.

 

Angel1

[Eater Sundae]

ENo, I reckon that once Eagle has opened up a competition, then Andy Burnham will stand and reunite the party, as best anyone can.

 

I can't see the party splitting. The last "Gang of Four" ultimately came to nothing (via the social democrats and lib dems), so I can't see much enthusiasm for a repeat.

 

I think there will be internal conflict, but ultimately, they'll try and come to a compromise. But I also think that the left will gain power internally. So we will probably find that the likes of Angela Eagle (and similar less than whole hearted Corbyn supporters) will start finding that they are being deselected in time for the 2020 general election.

 

Edit. Although a lot depends on who stands. Does Corbyn need to get sponsord by the PLP, like last time? If so, then he might not get enough votes this time. If not, and he automatically gets to enter the race, then he'll probably win with the membership again, and he'll stay in post until the same happens next year, and the year after. In which case the conservatives will probably look to call an early election, while they consider the opposition to be unelectable.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Eater Sundae

[foxy lady]

ENo, I reckon that once Eagle has opened up a competition, then Andy Burnham will stand and reunite the party, as best anyone can.

 

I can't see the party splitting. The last "Gang of Four" ultimately came to nothing (via the social democrats and lib dems), so I can't see much enthusiasm for a repeat.

 

I think there will be internal conflict, but ultimately, they'll try and come to a compromise. But I also think that the left will gain power internally. So we will probably find that the likes of Angela Eagle (and similar less than whole hearted Corbyn supporters) will start finding that they are being deselected in time for the 2020 general election.

 

Edit. Although a lot depends on who stands. Does Corbyn need to get sponsord by the PLP, like last time? If so, then he might not get enough votes this time. If not, and he automatically gets to enter the race, then he'll probably win with the membership again, and he'll stay in post until the same happens next year, and the year after. In which case the conservatives will probably look to call an early election, while they consider the opposition to be unelectable.

 

So what would you think the likes of Angela Eagle will do once they realise they face deselection? You do know that 178 Labour MPs expressed their vote of "no confidence" in Jeremy Corbyn. Just how many of these disloyal MPs do you think will stand down quietly. Or to put it another way. If your sitting MP were on the ballot paper as an independent Labour candidate in 2020, alongside some shoe in Corbynite clone, who would get your vote?

[Flanker7]

So what would you think the likes of Angela Eagle will do once they realise they face deselection? You do know that 178 Labour MPs expressed their vote of "no confidence" in Jeremy Corbyn. Just how many of these disloyal MPs do you think will stand down quietly. Or to put it another way. If your sitting MP were on the ballot paper as an independent Labour candidate in 2020, alongside some shoe in Corbynite clone, who would get your vote?

 

*My bold

 

You're prejudging 178 possible candidates. Nothing like getting your retaliation in first. Jeremy has a massive mandate from the rank and file therefore there will be no need to 'shoe in a clone'. The candidates are there in every constituency in the land.

[Eater Sundae]

So what would you think the likes of Angela Eagle will do once they realise they face deselection? You do know that 178 Labour MPs expressed their vote of "no confidence" in Jeremy Corbyn. Just how many of these disloyal MPs do you think will stand down quietly. Or to put it another way. If your sitting MP were on the ballot paper as an independent Labour candidate in 2020, alongside some shoe in Corbynite clone, who would get your vote?

 

Neither would get MY vote. The "labour" vote would probably be shared between the two of them, and in many cases that would allow in another party, usually conservatives.

 

There's more talk on the radio this morning about the labour party splitting.

 

In the event of Corbyn being ousted, I cannot see the left wing leaving and forming another mainstream party. They didn't even at the height of Blair and Nu-Labour when they were totally sidelined. Some members probably drifted away (who may have been re-energised and came back after Corbyn became leader), but they didn't form a political grouping to compete as a national party. I think they see themselves as Labour, and the stayers will try and work within to undermine the winners.

 

In the event of Corbyn winning, then I would expect a lot of sitting MPs to be deselected by an influx of local activists (possibly being "bussed in" by an organised left wing) in an aggressive up front fashion. In that situation, some of the ousted MPs might try to compete. Some may get in as a sort of independent labour in the next general election, if they are already popular, but that isn't sustainable. Ultimately, they will need the support of a recognised party structure behind them.

 

If these deselected labour MPs tried to start a new, centrist party, possibly with disenchanted conservatives (though now unlikely as the conservatives look like moving to the centre if the rumour that Leadsom is pulling out is true), then it would take a while to form a new party to fill the gap. If this party was also pushing to stay in the EU, then I doubt it would happen quickly enough to stop brexit.

[Berberis]

Am I the only person to think Mz Eagle looks like Eddie Izzard in drag?

[Ridgewalk]

Neither would get MY vote. The "labour" vote would probably be shared between the two of them, and in many cases that would allow in another party, usually conservatives.

 

There's more talk on the radio this morning about the labour party splitting.

 

In the event of Corbyn being ousted, I cannot see the left wing leaving and forming another mainstream party. They didn't even at the height of Blair and Nu-Labour when they were totally sidelined. Some members probably drifted away (who may have been re-energised and came back after Corbyn became leader), but they didn't form a political grouping to compete as a national party. I think they see themselves as Labour, and the stayers will try and work within to undermine the winners.

 

In the event of Corbyn winning, then I would expect a lot of sitting MPs to be deselected by an influx of local activists (possibly being "bussed in" by an organised left wing) in an aggressive up front fashion. In that situation, some of the ousted MPs might try to compete. Some may get in as a sort of independent labour in the next general election, if they are already popular, but that isn't sustainable. Ultimately, they will need the support of a recognised party structure behind them.

 

If these deselected labour MPs tried to start a new, centrist party, possibly with disenchanted conservatives (though now unlikely as the conservatives look like moving to the centre if the rumour that Leadsom is pulling out is true), then it would take a while to form a new party to fill the gap. If this party was also pushing to stay in the EU, then I doubt it would happen quickly enough to stop brexit.

 

 

"Possibly being"bussed" in". What sort of Daily Mail, Daily Express, The" Sooper soar away"Sun world do you live in ?

 

Remember Brexit, " It was the Sun wot won it" as they once claimed after yet another Conservative Election win

 

At least A Eagle has gone for it now. The woman who, it is claimed, has dreamed about being an MP since she was 6. Others state that she has been in the shadow for years. Actually she has held something like 5 Shadow Cabinet jobs.

She is the epitome of a careerist politician. Must be bricking it in case her Constituency Party de-selects her.

[Eater Sundae]

"Possibly being"bussed" in". What sort of Daily Mail, Daily Express, The" Sooper soar away"Sun world do you live in ?

 

Remember Brexit, " It was the Sun wot won it" as they once claimed after yet another Conservative Election win

 

At least A Eagle has gone for it now. The woman who, it is claimed, has dreamed about being an MP since she was 6. Others state that she has been in the shadow for years. Actually she has held something like 5 Shadow Cabinet jobs.

She is the epitome of a careerist politician. Must be bricking it in case her Constituency Party de-selects her.

 

What world do you live in where you think that party activists don't try and shift the party towards their own aims.

[alchresearch]

ENo, I reckon that once Eagle has opened up a competition, then Andy Burnham will stand and reunite the party, as best anyone can.

 

Burnham knows he's still too "New Labour" for the public, plus he's busy trying to get the forthcoming Merseyside Major job.

[Berberis]

In the event of Corbyn winning, then I would expect a lot of sitting MPs to be deselected by an influx of local activists (possibly being "bussed in" by an organised left wing) in an aggressive up front fashion. In that situation, some of the ousted MPs might try to compete. Some may get in as a sort of independent labour in the next general election, if they are already popular, but that isn't sustainable. Ultimately, they will need the support of a recognised party structure behind them.

 

I can see this happening. Labour is in the process of massive changes that will eventually bring a real socialist party to the front of British politics. I doubt they will make any inroads to any other parties support and I suspect they will lose a lot to a newly invigorated Lib Dem party. Mostly mostly because Corbyn and his ilk are more interested in the protest movement than actual leadership.

 

I really want the Uk to have a strong socialist party that can offer a real alternative to the current mainstream. Not that I would ever vote for them but so they can represent the part of the population that feel they are not represented in British politics. Otherwise you end up with activities like the Momentum movement.