unbeliever Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 So any terrorist who meets the above definition is a good Muslim? Were you hoping that I'd miss the fact that you've completely changed the nature of the question by inserting the word "good"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Heath Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Were you hoping that I'd miss the fact that you've completely changed the nature of the question by inserting the word "good"? I was not trying to trap you, or anyone, I merely ask the question which I will re phrase. If any person, no matter what his/her crime commits it in the name of Allah or to further the interests of Islam, and despite the action being contrary to accepted norms of civilized behavior, damaging the community, killing or injuring innocent people, is that person still accepted as a Muslim in the Islamic community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I was not trying to trap you, or anyone, I merely ask the question which I will re phrase. If any person, no matter what his/her crime commits it in the name of Allah or to further the interests of Islam, and despite the action being contrary to accepted norms of civilized behavior, damaging the community, killing or injuring innocent people, is that person still accepted as a Muslim in the Islamic community. There is no single Islamic community. Some Muslims will assert that they're not Muslims. They do that to make a point. It's not literally correct. By the literal definition of Muslim, that's what they are. No matter what crimes that have committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I was not trying to trap you, or anyone, I merely ask the question which I will re phrase. If any person, no matter what his/her crime commits it in the name of Allah or to further the interests of Islam, and despite the action being contrary to accepted norms of civilized behavior, damaging the community, killing or injuring innocent people, is that person still accepted as a Muslim in the Islamic community. Do you consider Anders Breivik a Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Do you consider Anders Breivik a Christian? I don't. For the very sensible reason that he's an Odinist. He does not worship the god of Abraham, he does not see the Bible as in any way the words of a deity and he does not believe in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukes Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Do you consider Anders Breivik a Christian? Anders Breivik doesn't consider Anders Breivik to be a Christian and there is no reason for anyone else to think that he is unless they want to make a false comparison to Islamic violence. ---------- Post added 29-07-2016 at 18:23 ---------- I was not trying to trap you, or anyone, I merely ask the question which I will re phrase. If any person, no matter what his/her crime commits it in the name of Allah or to further the interests of Islam, and despite the action being contrary to accepted norms of civilized behavior, damaging the community, killing or injuring innocent people, is that person still accepted as a Muslim in the Islamic community. It doesn't matter what other Muslims think because so long as the person is a follower of Islam they are a Muslim. It's not fair to try to blame people for the actions of others but at the same time somebody doesn't stop being a Muslim because they are also Islamic terrorists. Jukes x Edited July 29, 2016 by Jukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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