Sky Camera Technology vs fans viewpoint

[ANGELUS]

You have come out with this nonsense

Key members of the squad (such as Roberto Carlos, Morientes, Ika Cassilas and Raul) openly admitting to the press they were glad he was gone, and other figures associated with Real denouncing the ridiculous Galactico era. The fans and press were also highly critical, fans don't want Real to be the richest in the world, they want to be the best in the world.

 

Find me where the players have said this from a refutable source and I will believe you- also I think the real fans would have a different view to yours and thats why I will be inviting them over here to our forum to share it with us.

 

If we are going down the public showing up of members on the forum like you seem to do to me- I'll go down the same path.

 

Now, get some research done- and find me where you can backup those claims of yours.

[Rushup]

Research it yourself if you're so eager to dispell it.

 

There was a thread some time ago on the forum about this, I believe I posted some links then. The thread may still be around somewhere, though I know the moderators have chopped away lots of old threads.

 

Without even trying too hard, there are plenty of critical articles about this subject, particularly on players being named Galacticos (something many of Real's fans do not like);

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4758714.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4757112.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentino_P%C3%A9rez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Madrid

http://www.squarefootball.net/article/article.asp?aid=2847

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/03/30/sfnrea30.xml

 

Among one of these articles, Luis Figo is particularly scathing of the galactico policy. Roberto Carlos also has his say.

 

There are message boards abound critical of Perez and Galacticos. I'm not going to clog up the board by listing them, they are there if you can be bothered to look.

[ANGELUS]

Research it yourself if you're so eager to dispell it.

 

There was a thread some time ago on the forum about this, I believe I posted some links then. The thread may still be around somewhere, though I know the moderators have chopped away lots of old threads.

 

Without even trying too hard, there are plenty of critical articles about this subject, particularly on players being named Galacticos (something many of Real's fans do not like);

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4758714.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4757112.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentino_P%C3%A9rez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Madrid

http://www.squarefootball.net/article/article.asp?aid=2847

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/03/30/sfnrea30.xml

 

Among one of these articles, Luis Figo is particularly scathing of the galactico policy. Roberto Carlos also has his say.

 

There are message boards abound critical of Perez and Galacticos. I'm not going to clog up the board by listing them, they are there if you can be bothered to look.

 

Oh come come now ****- I've just had a quick look through those threads you've listed- only the telegraph one quotes Figo saying that the organisation was a joke- and thats because he was offloaded to Inter Milan perhaps?

You have to take these things into consideration.

 

All you have given me is that there are some articles about Perez which have painted a different picture to the one you have your mindset on.

 

Its still proven nothing of substantial evidence and the bit that Roberto Carlos says when asked about Perez Exit- 'I couldnt care less' came the reply.

In other words I dont want to get involved with it or I dont want to comment further.

 

I want proof from something like a BBC/Sky/Reuters website that says this player said this- Figo is only mad because he got farmed out of Real and I think you have shot yourself in the foot by claiming that people like Raul would say anything like that- why bite the hand that feeds you?

 

At the moment you have not come up with any evidence that is substantial to backup your claims- and you are also running the risk of making yourself look a fool by doing so.

[Rushup]

I'm running the risk of looking a fool? Interesting. I'll take a back seat from this thread for a while and see what happens.

 

If you, or anyone else proves me wrong on anything, I'll hold up my hands and admit I am wrong.

[ANGELUS]

I'm running the risk of looking a fool? Interesting. I'll take a back seat from this thread for a while and see what happens.

 

If you, or anyone else proves me wrong on anything, I'll hold up my hands and admit I am wrong.

 

This is your problem.

 

You are only too content to sit on the fence like a hawk waiting till someone drops a clanger- why not come up with something for yourself for a change without waiting for people to do it for you and get some proof behind it as well

 

So I want you to give me some evidence to back up your claims- thats all I have asked and I dont think it is a bad request to someone like yourself. Surely you must have proof somewhere if you say that Roberto Carlos and some of the senior players said those things?

Otherwise you wouldnt have made those comments surely.

 

You can hold your hands up now if you like and I will accept a public apology for the crap you gave me yesterday and also trying to again show me up on the forums today- I think you know when you have shot yourself in the foot mate, and its about time to admit you were wrong on this.

 

However I doubt you will

[scottf]

I'm going to give you an example as to why your view and this view that most of you see to share on here as 'paying fans'

 

So, here we go- this is aimed at yourself and the others on here and is a simple yes or no answer please.

 

Are people who support Man Utd or any other team in far away countries, and who cant get to games but watch them on TV - less of a fan than you because you go to matches and those other people dont?

 

Simple yes or no answer please.

 

I'm sure the 1999 final we won was brilliant to have watched there at the Nou Camp and I would genuinly would have loved to be there on the night - as it was - my daughter was born that year and she is my priority above football.

 

In answer to your question- simply- no it does not make them less of a fan.

 

But were not talking about that- your saying that its better to sit at home to watch the game rather than being there??

[ANGELUS]

In answer to your question- simply- no it does not make them less of a fan.

 

But were not talking about that- your saying that its better to sit at home to watch the game rather than being there??

 

So in answer to your response then- you would class myself and the millions of other people who dont attend games as the same kind of level of fan that you are then right?

 

So do you therefore disagree with the fact that when someone who says to me that just because I myself dont go to matches that I cannot possibly know what is going on at a football match?

 

Would you agree or disagree with that statement.

 

The statement I am making is that Sky Camera technology gives you a better view of the WHOLE match decisions and everything that goes on in the game- better than a fan sat in a crowd of people in a stadium seat.

 

No-one in their right mind logically cannot tell me that they can see a minute decision when they are sat half way across the stadium away from the action- and to believe that fact - you either have to be very stupid or very naieve to believe that because you are a fan sat in a seat you can see about 60/70 yards and witness something so minute as a goalline decision gone wrong as clear as I can on sky.

 

Unless you are some sort of superhuman being and can see great distances like a hawk with pinpoint precision I think you may have to admit that from what I have said you yourself and anyone else who goes to matches- cannot see those kinds of decisions- hence Sky gives the better view of the matches.

 

Hence- I was correct

[Lou]

I'd much rather be at the game rather than watching it on TV (PlayerCam and all) for the reasons that Cath writes here better than I could have put it myself.

 

I find all TV coverage a very poor substitute for being at the match.

Football is a team game and, personally, I enjoy watching a good team performance. That requires the ability to be able to view the whole pitch. All you ever get to see on the telly is the guy on the ball and a couple in immediate support of him. The shape of the whole team is often crucial to the game.

 

I have tried that PlayerCam thing on Sky and IMO it's even worse than their unimaginative main camera angles. The shot is taken up with one player. Sure you can see whether he's running or being lazy and disinterested, but generally it's just a live pic of a guy running past unidentified pairs of socks. It's almost impossible to determine his role on the pitch.

 

If I haven't been at the game I will look to fans' match reports first to give me a good understanding of how the game went, the team played and individuals performed.

[scottf]

So in answer to your response then- you would class myself and the millions of other people who dont attend games as the same kind of level of fan that you are then right?

 

So do you therefore disagree with the fact that when someone who says to me that just because I myself dont go to matches that I cannot possibly know what is going on at a football match?

 

Would you agree or disagree with that statement.

 

The statement I am making is that Sky Camera technology gives you a better view of the WHOLE match decisions and everything that goes on in the game- better than a fan sat in a crowd of people in a stadium seat.

 

No-one in their right mind logically cannot tell me that they can see a minute decision when they are sat half way across the stadium away from the action- and to believe that fact - you either have to be very stupid or very naieve to believe that because you are a fan sat in a seat you can see about 60/70 yards and witness something so minute as a goalline decision gone wrong as clear as I can on sky.

 

Unless you are some sort of superhuman being and can see great distances like a hawk with pinpoint precision I think you may have to admit that from what I have said you yourself and anyone else who goes to matches- cannot see those kinds of decisions- hence Sky gives the better view of the matches.

 

Hence- I was correct

 

What ARE you talking about??????

 

how your a fan has absolutely nothing to do with the feeling of being at a match!!!!

 

Where have i said that you don't know whats going on at a football match??

 

Your trying to twist this argument into something its not- everyone here is argueing which is better- to be there or to watch it on TV, and your argueing what is the best VIEW of a football match!!!

 

Its all down to personal preferance at the end of the day- i much prefer to be AT the match, in person- actually supporting the team and helping them to win rather than yourself who would rather be at home watching it on a tv.

 

Answer me this question- Whats the best view of your daugher- with your own eyes or on a picture???

[Tony]

I've closed this as too many tmepers are frayed. Drop me a PM later to reopen it when people have cooled down.