The end of the Labour party

[Jacktari]

Carry on. When I think there's enough evidence in I'll announce which is of you the most deluded Corbynite on the forum.

 

Your opinion is the equivalent of a cat going miaow, and carries about as much credence.

[unbeliever]

Your opinion is the equivalent of a cat going miaow, and carries about as much credence.

 

I just give you extra Corbyn love-points for comments like that.

[Jacktari]

I just give you extra Corbyn love-points for comments like that.

 

purr - purr ;)

[Anna B]

If you say so. What's his position on single market membership?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gHHxJFVqGA

 

Is this what you're looking for? From the horse's mouth.

Edited April 8, 2017 by Anna B

[Flanker7]

This from ECCOnoob on the UKIP thread - reply #69 -

 

"That's why the Labour party are currently dying on their backsides.

 

They dont know the basics about what their alleged core support i.e. the so called "working class" "man of the people" "real proper jobs" sorts actually focus on.

 

These are the sort of people who actively read the Daily Mail, Express and Sun as genuine news publications. The people who openly pass judgment on funny looking foreigners. The people who take sensationalised stories about scammy doleys and child benefit claimants with 10+ kids and government departments wasting billions of taxpayer monies on pg tips and NHS monies being wasted on a black and ethnic minority asylum seeker paedophile accommodation units and hate preachers being handed out council grants etc... etc... AT FACE VALUE. THEY BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT.

 

In fact, there is far more cross over between the salt of the earth, low income, so called "proper" working class and the hard core right wing fox hunting loving Chipping Norton set than people would ever like to admit.

 

Compo & Co can prattle on year after year about the NHS and social mobility and fair society and fair education all they want, but until they actually take their head out of the sand and actually face up to what their party is really supposed to stand for, they will keep going nowhere."

 

Jacktari, reply #77, gives a good response.

 

IMO, Core Labour support has traditionally been Socialists and Labourites.

 

Socialists - Thinkers who have an idealistic outlook. They have split. Some have become more pragmatic, like Wilson, Callaghan Blair. Some more ideal driven, Foot and Corbyn. Callaghan was the only one from a poor background amongst this lot.

 

Labourites - Working Class. Represented by the Unions and others, who get support from the poorer in society because they represent their best deal - who would be Conservatives if they had more money. Unions and Labourites are usually conservative (small c) in their general outlook.

 

 

The media have done an effective job on Corbyn and UKIP and the Labourite's don't know who to support.

Currently no one.

Neither faction has a leader worth the name.

 

A big idea(l) is needed or a slogan put forward by a strong spokesperson to make sense of the current circumstances, and unite the party. Like 'Workers unite, you only have your chains to loose' or dare I say 'Education, Education, Education.'

Edited April 10, 2017 by Flanker7

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Mr Corbyn's only failings are almost everything that he says and does. None seems likely to improve the Labour Party's likelihood of gaining votes, either in Local Elections this year or in any other elections. The Party's left-wing supporters are unswerving in their support for him, but clearly that's just not enough. It's sad and- at the same time- amusing that News coverage gives credence to the Party's announcements of what it plans to do when in power.

"When"? "If"!

The UK really does need a credible opposition party. Labour isn't.

[Anna B]

Mr Corbyn's only failings are almost everything that he says and does. None seems likely to improve the Labour Party's likelihood of gaining votes, either in Local Elections this year or in any other elections. The Party's left-wing supporters are unswerving in their support for him, but clearly that's just not enough. It's sad and- at the same time- amusing that News coverage gives credence to the Party's announcements of what it plans to do when in power.

"When"? "If"!

The UK really does need a credible opposition party. Labour isn't.

 

Everything he says and everything he does? And you know that How?

Certainly not from the media who delight in spinning every Corbyn related issue in as derogatory light as possible.

[El Cid]

We now have a policy from Corbyn, a $10 minimum wage, a good idea?

 

Its policy announcement that is 3+ years away. Dont they normally hold back, untill the year before the election? What happens if the economy nose dives before then?

[unbeliever]

We now have a policy from Corbyn, a $10 minimum wage, a good idea?

 

Its policy announcement that is 3+ years away. Dont they normally hold back, untill the year before the election? What happens if the economy nose dives before then?

 

It's nonsense. Even if they won in 2020, by the end of their term in 2025 the value of their £10 minimum wage would be comparable to the current living wage.

They've promised nothing.

[Anna B]

It's nonsense. Even if they won in 2020, by the end of their term in 2025 the value of their £10 minimum wage would be comparable to the current living wage.

They've promised nothing.

 

What do you think on his approach to Brexit?