The end of the Labour party

[hackey lad]

You know what I dont think the last 24 hours will register with him at all. He seems unrattled and totally oblivious. I'm wondering if being a tiny and very angry, hard left opposition is just as good for him as being in power.

 

you could be right , Corbyn loves being in opposition , the small man fighting the evil majority and that's all he will ever be

[banjodeano]

You know what I dont think the last 24 hours will register with him at all. He seems unrattled and totally oblivious. I'm wondering if being a tiny and very angry, hard left opposition is just as good for him as being in power.

 

he probably thinks the fight is worth it, and will still be trying his best to stop the injustices to the weak and poor in this country, the consequences of the Tories running riot for 5 more years doesnt bear thinking about, the sell off of the NHS, more tax breaks for the rich and austerity for the poor, food bank queues will get bigger and the people sleeping on the streets will increase.... heaven help the poor

[I1L2T3]

he probably thinks the fight is worth it, and will still be trying his best to stop the injustices to the weak and poor in this country, the consequences of the Tories running riot for 5 more years doesnt bear thinking about, the sell off of the NHS, more tax breaks for the rich and austerity for the poor, food bank queues will get bigger and the people sleeping on the streets will increase.... heaven help the poor

 

The poor have voted for change. The only change readily on offer is Brexit. I don't think the Tories have realised how much is being promised by Brexit to a large section of the population, how much it means to people with nothing to lose.

 

The idea of change is powerful enough to cause people to be content with the Tories offering no manifesto and campaigning on avsingle issue UKIP-style platform.

 

This is going to be horrible for a lot of people who have no idea what is coming. I can only guess that Corbyn etc... are banking on that happening to get into power. But to get there a lot of people have to suffer at the hands of the Tories. If that's what he's up to it's going to backfire.

[banjodeano]

The poor have voted for change. The only change readily on offer is Brexit. I don't think the Tories have realised how much is being promised by Brexit to a large section of the population, how much it means to people with nothing to lose.

 

The idea of change is powerful enough to cause people to be content with the Tories offering no manifesto and campaigning on avsingle issue UKIP-style platform.

This is going to be horrible for a lot of people who have no idea what is coming. I can only guess that Corbyn etc... are banking on that happening to get into power. But to get there a lot of people have to suffer at the hands of the Tories. If that's what he's up to it's going to backfire.

 

Sadly i think that is very true, my work colleague votes Tory, he was a traditional Labour voter, but turned his back on the party after Blair, but he says to me, that he doesnt see any hardship and people suffering, and that things are not that bad, he lives in a little bubble, he doesnt see the bigger picture, nor does he wish to, but he has a grown up child living at home with him that has disabilities, and quite often this child goes into respite care, I have no doubt that one day he will come to work moaning that this service has been cut, to me this is a service that is going to be a prime target for cuts, then, and only then, will he realise what he is voting for when he votes Tory, he is quite happy for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world not to pay their tax, until it affects him.

you say that you think this is what Corbyn is banking on, i dont think so, because after this election, Corbyn will be forced out, and he will be replaced by a Blairite, then we will go back to the cosy little world that we once had, where we had the Tories on one side, and Tory lite on the other, and nothing will have ever changed, and the elite will continue to turn over the working classes and the poor, Corbyn is the working classes last hurrah, and after this, equality and fairness will never raise its ugly head again

[Anna B]

Sadly i think that is very true, my work colleague votes Tory, he was a traditional Labour voter, but turned his back on the party after Blair, but he says to me, that he doesnt see any hardship and people suffering, and that things are not that bad, he lives in a little bubble, he doesnt see the bigger picture, nor does he wish to, but he has a grown up child living at home with him that has disabilities, and quite often this child goes into respite care, I have no doubt that one day he will come to work moaning that this service has been cut, to me this is a service that is going to be a prime target for cuts, then, and only then, will he realise what he is voting for when he votes Tory, he is quite happy for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world not to pay their tax, until it affects him.

you say that you think this is what Corbyn is banking on, i dont think so, because after this election, Corbyn will be forced out, and he will be replaced by a Blairite, then we will go back to the cosy little world that we once had, where we had the Tories on one side, and Tory lite on the other, and nothing will have ever changed, and the elite will continue to turn over the working classes and the poor, Corbyn is the working classes last hurrah, and after this, equality and fairness will never raise its ugly head again

 

I have to agree with this.

 

Once real Labour is demolished, there will be no stopping the Tories demolishing everything that Labour founded and did for ordinary people in this country, and it won't catch up with people until it affects them personally - which it will in the end. With disastrous consequences.

 

People are still under the Blairite illusion that 'we are all middle class now' but that is only true in a bouyant economy with full employment and decent wages. In case people haven't noticed that is all in decline, (the Tory figures are not telling the truth.) When the truth finally dawns on them that they are back where they started, you can bet that such stringent laws will have been put in place that all dissent will be a criminal offence, probably all in the name of 'preventing terrorism.'

 

Austerity really only affects the poor and needy, and a whole lot more of the population are destined to become very poor indeed.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Anna B

[crookedspire]

I have to agree with this.

 

Once real Labour is demolished, there will be no stopping the Tories demolishing everything that Labour founded and did for ordinary people in this country, and it won't catch up with people until it affects them personally - which it will in the end. With disastrous consequences.

 

People are still under the Blairite illusion that 'we are all middle class now' but that is only true in a bouyant economy with full employment and decent wages. In case people haven't noticed that is all in decline, (the Tory figures are not telling the truth.) When the truth finally dawns on them that they are back where they started, you can bet that such stringent laws will have been put in place that all dissent will be a criminal offence, probably all in the name of 'preventing terrorism.'

 

Austerity really only affects the poor and needy, and a whole lot more of the population are destined to become very poor indeed.

 

 

I agree with this Brex has blinded people into thinking that only the mighty May can do this I will say this the EU are not interested who sits in the negotiation chair their will be no trade deal until we pay the final bill. Don't think that trade deals will be pouring in from around the world Trump is a man who says what people want too​ hear like May but fail on delivery. I do believe the UK will end up been a hard right wing nation that bucks no oppersition like Anna say terrorism will be used has an excuse to crush any and all who don't fall into line with government domga. Enjoy your National Socialism has reality hits the people who place such people in power.

[Anna B]

I've just listened to Stephen Kinnock on TV. He said the Labour Party's results were disastrous and Corbyns name came up on the doorstep time and again and usually not in a positive way.

 

Then it was Stephen Kinnock's duty as a Labour representative to put them right, and back his leader. But he's a Blairite undermining the party from within, which is a bit rich considering his father's famous speech (He was Labour Leader 1983 - 1992 for those who don't know,)

 

"If you vote Conservative on Thursday, I warn you: not to be ordinary. I warn you, not to be young. I warn you, not to fall ill. And I warn you, not to grow old."

Could have been said by Corbyn himself...

 

Of course Neil Kinnock is now a multi-millionaire vice-president of the EU Commision, so maybe young Stephen has an eye on the future long term...

Edited May 6, 2017 by Anna B

[banjodeano]

Then it was Stephen Kinnock's duty as a Labour representative to put them right and back his leader. But he's a Blairite undermining the party from within, which is a bit rich considering his father's famous speech (He was Labour Leader 1983 - 1992 for those who don't know,)

 

"If you vote Conservative on Thursday, I warn you: not to be ordinary. I warn you not to be young. I warn you not to fall ill. And I warn you not to grow old."

 

Of course multi-millionaire Neil Kinnock is now vice-president of the EU Commision, so maybe young Stephen has an eye on the future long term...

That man Stephen Kinnock is nothing more than a slimeball, probably inherits it from his father, he has continually tried to undermine Corbyn from day one with the rest of the Blairite slimeballs, and then when Labour dont get the result they want, then he has the gall to blame Corbyn, completely ignoring the fact that he and the rest of the traitors have told people Corbyn is not a good leader....you couldnt make it up

[hackey lad]

Then it was Stephen Kinnock's duty as a Labour representative to put them right and back his leader. But he's a Blairite undermining the party from within, which is a bit rich considering his father's famous speech (He was Labour Leader 1983 - 1992 for those who don't know,)

 

"If you vote Conservative on Thursday, I warn you: not to be ordinary. I warn you, not to be young. I warn you, not to fall ill. And I warn you, not to grow old."

Could have been said by Corbyn himself...

 

Of course Neil Kinnock is now a multi-millionaire vice-president of the EU Commision, so maybe young Stephen has an eye on the future long term...

 

funny how people change when they see a hefty pay packet , I think 3 of the Kinnock family are on the EU gravytrain

[GLASGOWOODS]

Sadly i think that is very true, my work colleague votes Tory, he was a traditional Labour voter, but turned his back on the party after Blair, but he says to me, that he doesnt see any hardship and people suffering, and that things are not that bad, he lives in a little bubble, he doesnt see the bigger picture, nor does he wish to, but he has a grown up child living at home with him that has disabilities, and quite often this child goes into respite care, I have no doubt that one day he will come to work moaning that this service has been cut, to me this is a service that is going to be a prime target for cuts, then, and only then, will he realise what he is voting for when he votes Tory, he is quite happy for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world not to pay their tax, until it affects him.

you say that you think this is what Corbyn is banking on, i dont think so, because after this election, Corbyn will be forced out, and he will be replaced by a Blairite, then we will go back to the cosy little world that we once had, where we had the Tories on one side, and Tory lite on the other, and nothing will have ever changed, and the elite will continue to turn over the working classes and the poor, Corbyn is the working classes last hurrah, and after this, equality and fairness will never raise its ugly head again

 

Cuts in health and social care has been happening for a few years now.