The end of the Labour party

[Robin-H]

Me too.

 

I don't know why, but I love it. Now that is sad...

 

Same. I also love it. There's something hypnotic about the swingometer.

[hackey lad]

He got the cost of HS2 wrong by £20bn

 

Makes Abbotts mistake look like she was a trainee shopgirl who gave you the wrong change from a quid.

 

Please stop it , you are making yourself look foolish . even the labour party have finally realised Abacus Abbott is a detriment to the labour party . 1 day before the election and suddenly she is mysteriously ill .

[Guest]

Me too.

 

I don't know why, but I love it. Now that is sad...

 

I'll probably fall asleep at about 2:30 am.

[I1L2T3]

Think about it for a moment.

 

Abbott thinking policemen cost £30 a year is either a lack of basic intelligence or basic maths ability.

 

Hammond not knowing the HS2 price is a matter of not knowing the most up to date figures.

 

£300,000 for 10,000 policemen is obviously wrong. Very very simple maths would reveal that.

 

£32billion for HS2 is not obviously wrong. Indeed earlier estimations were around that amount. Saying that instead of £52billion could be a simple slip of the tongue, it could be not knowing the current estimated figure. Both are gaffes, but Abbott's was far worse.

 

One is the chancellor. It's worse on every level.

 

---------- Post added 08-06-2017 at 07:18 ----------

 

Please stop it , you are making yourself look foolish . even the labour party have finally realised Abacus Abbott is a detriment to the labour party . 1 day before the election and suddenly she is mysteriously ill .

 

I don't think so. The chancellor making mistakes of £20bn. It's worse and you know it.

[JNewton69]

Having recently been compelled by circumstances which I won't go into, to spend exactly 3 days thinking about my dislike of Jeremy Corbyn, I still don't like him.

First time in coming up on 3 years as a Forum member, that I have found it necessary to spend 3 days in silent contemplation.

 

I have however developed a dislike of Owen Smith which is comparable in its intensity. I've come to believe that he is somebody who doesn't believe in democracy.

He's in the process of trying to remove a democratically elected leader from the Labour party. Much as I would like the democratically elected leader of the Labour party removed, it's a rather undemocratic thing to happen.

In a similar vain, he's wants to overturn the democratic will of the people by ignoring the EU referendum result.

Add to that, based on his record he in no way believes in the bulk of the policy which he now stands on, and you get a pretty good overview of the man.

 

Then we come back to Mr Corbyn. Now that he's "lost" the Brexit vote (by this I mean I suspect that he got the result he secretly wanted, not that he was responsible for the result); I think he believes the bulk of what he says.

Not the "kinder gentler politics" rubbish. I don't think he believes that. He's clearly to my mind not kinder or gentler, and if anything I think he's less honest, than any other mainstream politician. But I think he does believe in the policy platform on which he stands. This is a good thing, even though I personally could not agree with him less.

 

I remain, above all, extremely concerned by the threat to political discourse, democracy, liberty and all the things which we (across the political spectrum) hold most dear; posed by the fact that there is an extremely nasty group of Corbyn supporters on the loose who are using extreme tactics to intimidate Mr Corbyn's opponents into submission rather than using reason and proper process to achieve their goals. This group, I'm sure, is a small minority of Corbyn supporters, but they are not small enough in number to ignore.

There is no evidence that this nasty group are in any way linked to Mr Corbyn or his team, therefore I do not suggest that he is in any way in command of these extremely bad people. But he has been unable by words or actions to stop them, or even slow them down. That's pretty scary. They proclaim devotion to him, but they carry on despite his instruction not to. They must on some level believe that they are serving him, so it must be possible for him to find the words to get them to stop.

I would encourage Mr Corbyn to redouble his efforts on this matter as a matter of the utmost urgency. I make no apology for making my own inferences, which I shall not voice here, as to why a man in Mr Corbyn's position might have chosen not to do so already.

 

As I find both prospective leaders of the Labour party unacceptable, even as leader of the opposition, it is my sincere hope, that the Labour party is destroyed by the election process. I shall miss it, as it was useful to have the voices of the public sector unions so forcefully put in parliament. It would be a great shame to see this 100 year old institution, with a great deal to be proud of from its history destroyed. However, given the 2 leadership options on the table it is clear that the end of the party is the least worst option.

 

What a cavalcade of tripe.

[Ridgewalk]

Having recently been compelled by circumstances which I won't go into, to spend exactly 3 days thinking about my dislike of Jeremy Corbyn, I still don't like him.

First time in coming up on 3 years as a Forum member, that I have found it necessary to spend 3 days in silent contemplation.

 

I have however developed a dislike of Owen Smith which is comparable in its intensity. I've come to believe that he is somebody who doesn't believe in democracy.

He's in the process of trying to remove a democratically elected leader from the Labour party. Much as I would like the democratically elected leader of the Labour party removed, it's a rather undemocratic thing to happen.

In a similar vain, he's wants to overturn the democratic will of the people by ignoring the EU referendum result.

Add to that, based on his record he in no way believes in the bulk of the policy which he now stands on, and you get a pretty good overview of the man.

 

Then we come back to Mr Corbyn. Now that he's "lost" the Brexit vote (by this I mean I suspect that he got the result he secretly wanted, not that he was responsible for the result); I think he believes the bulk of what he says.

Not the "kinder gentler politics" rubbish. I don't think he believes that. He's clearly to my mind not kinder or gentler, and if anything I think he's less honest, than any other mainstream politician. But I think he does believe in the policy platform on which he stands. This is a good thing, even though I personally could not agree with him less.

 

I remain, above all, extremely concerned by the threat to political discourse, democracy, liberty and all the things which we (across the political spectrum) hold most dear; posed by the fact that there is an extremely nasty group of Corbyn supporters on the loose who are using extreme tactics to intimidate Mr Corbyn's opponents into submission rather than using reason and proper process to achieve their goals. This group, I'm sure, is a small minority of Corbyn supporters, but they are not small enough in number to ignore.

There is no evidence that this nasty group are in any way linked to Mr Corbyn or his team, therefore I do not suggest that he is in any way in command of these extremely bad people. But he has been unable by words or actions to stop them, or even slow them down. That's pretty scary. They proclaim devotion to him, but they carry on despite his instruction not to. They must on some level believe that they are serving him, so it must be possible for him to find the words to get them to stop.

I would encourage Mr Corbyn to redouble his efforts on this matter as a matter of the utmost urgency. I make no apology for making my own inferences, which I shall not voice here, as to why a man in Mr Corbyn's position might have chosen not to do so already.

 

As I find both prospective leaders of the Labour party unacceptable, even as leader of the opposition, it is my sincere hope, that the Labour party is destroyed by the election process. I shall miss it, as it was useful to have the voices of the public sector unions so forcefully put in parliament. It would be a great shame to see this 100 year old institution, with a great deal to be proud of from its history destroyed. However, given the 2 leadership options on the table it is clear that the end of the party is the least worst option.

 

 

Another cavalcade of tripe

 

Corbyn increases share of Labour vote from 30% to 40%.

 

People need to take more of an interest in politics, rather than rely on the Mail, Express and Sun for misinformation, bigotry and lies

[dutch]

Labour party has been wobbly up to now, even conservative under blair. Miliband was a little bit more leftish but corbyn contenders were flip flopping between left and right during party leader race.

 

Ironically these party leader races take several months, I did not think it was possible to have a fair national elections within six weeks. Had corbyn another month he could have won this election.

[Thorpist]

Now that Corbyn has entrenched his position as leader of the Labour party how loyal will the Labour MPs feel towards him?

As he has a history of not following the leadership he will have to be very convincing to take the MPs with him.

[Hairyloon]

As he has a history of not following the leadership...

 

Go on, how many examples can you come up with?

[therascal]

Having recently been compelled by circumstances which I won't go into, to spend exactly 3 days thinking about my dislike of Jeremy Corbyn, I still don't like him.

First time in coming up on 3 years as a Forum member, that I have found it necessary to spend 3 days in silent contemplation.

 

I have however developed a dislike of Owen Smith which is comparable in its intensity. I've come to believe that he is somebody who doesn't believe in democracy.

He's in the process of trying to remove a democratically elected leader from the Labour party. Much as I would like the democratically elected leader of the Labour party removed, it's a rather undemocratic thing to happen.

In a similar vain, he's wants to overturn the democratic will of the people by ignoring the EU referendum result.

Add to that, based on his record he in no way believes in the bulk of the policy which he now stands on, and you get a pretty good overview of the man.

 

Then we come back to Mr Corbyn. Now that he's "lost" the Brexit vote (by this I mean I suspect that he got the result he secretly wanted, not that he was responsible for the result); I think he believes the bulk of what he says.

Not the "kinder gentler politics" rubbish. I don't think he believes that. He's clearly to my mind not kinder or gentler, and if anything I think he's less honest, than any other mainstream politician. But I think he does believe in the policy platform on which he stands. This is a good thing, even though I personally could not agree with him less.

 

I remain, above all, extremely concerned by the threat to political discourse, democracy, liberty and all the things which we (across the political spectrum) hold most dear; posed by the fact that there is an extremely nasty group of Corbyn supporters on the loose who are using extreme tactics to intimidate Mr Corbyn's opponents into submission rather than using reason and proper process to achieve their goals. This group, I'm sure, is a small minority of Corbyn supporters, but they are not small enough in number to ignore.

There is no evidence that this nasty group are in any way linked to Mr Corbyn or his team, therefore I do not suggest that he is in any way in command of these extremely bad people. But he has been unable by words or actions to stop them, or even slow them down. That's pretty scary. They proclaim devotion to him, but they carry on despite his instruction not to. They must on some level believe that they are serving him, so it must be possible for him to find the words to get them to stop.

I would encourage Mr Corbyn to redouble his efforts on this matter as a matter of the utmost urgency. I make no apology for making my own inferences, which I shall not voice here, as to why a man in Mr Corbyn's position might have chosen not to do so already.

 

As I find both prospective leaders of the Labour party unacceptable, even as leader of the opposition, it is my sincere hope, that the Labour party is destroyed by the election process. I shall miss it, as it was useful to have the voices of the public sector unions so forcefully put in parliament. It would be a great shame to see this 100 year old institution, with a great deal to be proud of from its history destroyed. However, given the 2 leadership options on the table it is clear that the end of the party is the least worst option.

 

 

 

After todays results, what a load of tosh your post was.