The end of the Labour party

[I1L2T3]

Really, but what's the point if it's stilll going to be the same old same old?

That's Blairite Labour for you. Labour Lite, Labour in the pockets of the Conservatives, in fact not Labour at all. So like the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them. Such a turn off that people stopped voting altogether.

 

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I agree.

 

Corbyn offered something different. Something that was for the people, notjust to make the rich richer.

 

Fair play to you Anna. You stuck by Corbyn for 2 years on here in the face of some pretty nasty posts by countless other members on here.

 

I'm more convinced by Corbyn now after being very sceptical. If I was sure new Labour had been flushed from the party I'd consider returning.

 

For now I think it's critical for all progressives to work together to get as many youngsters registered to vote as possible, and to make The reality of Tory policies as clear as possible.

[Anna B]

Fair play to you Anna. You stuck by Corbyn for 2 years on here in the face of some pretty nasty posts by countless other members on here.

 

I'm more convinced by Corbyn now after being very sceptical. If I was sure new Labour had been flushed from the party I'd consider returning.

 

For now I think it's critical for all progressives to work together to get as many youngsters registered to vote as possible, and to make The reality of Tory policies as clear as possible.

 

Thankyou, that means a lot.

 

I'm just glad he's been able to start getting his message out there to more people. And that he's being taken more seriously. If nothing else, he deserves respect.

[lottiecass]

Really, but what's the point if it's stilll going to be the same old same old?

That's Blairite Labour for you. Labour Lite, Labour in the pockets of the Conservatives, in fact not Labour at all. So like the Tories you couldn't get a credit card between them. Such a turn off that people stopped voting altogether.

 

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I agree.

 

Corbyn offered something different. Something that was for the people, notjust to make the rich richer.

Do you think the labour party was a better party in the seventies Anna? its where corbyn and co would fit in nicely.

[Guest sibon]

Do you think the labour party was a better party in the seventies Anna? its where corbyn and co would fit in nicely.

 

Theresa May is currently engaged in an attempt to remove us from the EU trading bloc and to reignite the troubles in Northern Ireland. Welcome back to 1972.

 

I really don't think that Labour need to put up with any more Tory "back to the seventies" nonsense.

[Anna B]

Do you think the labour party was a better party in the seventies Anna? its where corbyn and co would fit in nicely.

 

Yes. I think Britain was a better place too. But that's just me.

 

We hear all about the winter of discontent etc, but not so much about the 1980's poll tax riots, race riots, miner's strike, mass unemployment and general discontent of the eighties. It was far worse than the 1970's. And IMO hasn't improved that much.

 

Margaret Thatcher's Britain was one of money worship, greed and one-upman-ship. You had to be a winner or you were nothing. She baulked at manufacturing, sold everything off, and put all her trust in banking, which she deregulated, giving rise to the super rich Yuppies.

 

At first some of it seemed to trickle down, but it was all built on sand (or gambling if you prefer) and lead inevitably to the banking crash of 2008, when we were told we had 'all been living beyond our means' on credit, so it seems any improvements to our standard of living were just an illusion anyway, which has been quickly snatched away.

 

Yet now this is somehow supposed to be remembered as a 'golden era...' It might have been for a few, but the rest of us are left paying the price. So yes, a return to the solid values of the 70's would be no bad thing.

[Mister M]

The closeness of the general election was really brought home to me by the fact that although in numbers, the Conservatives got 800,000 more votes than Labour:

 

Jeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from having the chance to become Prime Minister

 

While the Conservatives were only 287 votes from being able to form a working majority.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-election-results-votes-away-prime-minister-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html

 

Interesting analysis.

[tinfoilhat]

Yes. I think Britain was a better place too. But that's just me.

 

We hear all about the winter of discontent etc, but not so much about the 1980's poll tax riots, race riots, miner's strike, mass unemployment and general discontent of the eighties. It was far worse than the 1970's. And IMO hasn't improved that much.

 

Margaret Thatcher's Britain was one of money worship, greed and one-upman-ship. You had to be a winner or you were nothing. She baulked at manufacturing, sold everything off, and put all her trust in banking, which she deregulated, giving rise to the super rich Yuppies.

 

At first some of it seemed to trickle down, but it was all built on sand (or gambling if you prefer) and lead inevitably to the banking crash of 2008, when we were told we had 'all been living beyond our means' on credit, so it seems any improvements to our standard of living were just an illusion anyway, which has been quickly snatched away.

 

Yet now this is somehow supposed to be remembered as a 'golden era...' It might have been for a few, but the rest of us are left paying the price. So yes, a return to the solid values of the 70's would be no bad thing.

 

Take off the roads tinted bins there Anna. Or, if we're going back to 70s, take rose tinted glasses off and make my tea - and it had better clog my arteries up or face a back hander. I'm off to racially abuse my neighbours or beat up some gay people. Once back I'll watch a bit of racist telly. I'll knock back 10 pints after. I'm not in work tomorrow though - I'm on strike.

 

See what I did there? All with jest of course but you get my point.

[lottiecass]

It never fails to amaze me how some people only remember things that were good,I remember the 70's very well,no jesting tinfoil has just put a correct version of it.I'm all for workers rights but spent many weeks on strike for the most stupid reasons,the power of the unions helped the demise of the manufacturing industries and this is from an ex union member.

[Anna B]

Take off the roads tinted bins there Anna. Or, if we're going back to 70s, take rose tinted glasses off and make my tea - and it had better clog my arteries up or face a back hander. I'm off to racially abuse my neighbours or beat up some gay people. Once back I'll watch a bit of racist telly. I'll knock back 10 pints after. I'm not in work tomorrow though - I'm on strike.

 

See what I did there? All with jest of course but you get my point.

 

Yes, I know. It wasn't perfect by any means. But are things really that much better now? The problems are different but there are more of them.

 

To use your analogy, women have certainly gained more rights, but have they more choices or just different ones? They've won the right to pursue careers, but lost the right to stay at home with their children if they want to, because they simply can't afford it. Just an example.

 

Things will always move on, things will come and go. but have we lost more than we've gained?

[I1L2T3]

The closeness of the general election was really brought home to me by the fact that although in numbers, the Conservatives got 800,000 more votes than Labour:

 

Jeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from having the chance to become Prime Minister

 

While the Conservatives were only 287 votes from being able to form a working majority.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-election-results-votes-away-prime-minister-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html

 

Interesting analysis.

 

Or May was 2,227 votes away from not having to get into bed with the DUP