The end of the Labour party

[truman]

The Conservatives lost seats relative to before the GE, and consequentially lost their majority in the HoC, to the extent of now having to rely on 3rd parties for effecting policies, lest they get legislatively checked at every turn.

 

Obvious enough, I'd have thought. Erm, for non-Tory supporters, that is

 

But they are forming the government ,they are the largest party, they have the most seats, they won the popular vote..If my party had done that I wouldn't consider it a loss...

[Jonny5]

To put it on its head, the Tories produced a campaign of fear, misery, austerity and a bungled manifesto.

 

They were up against a Labour party promising absurdly costed pledges out of the Varoufakis playbook that were not based in any economic reality which everyone under 30 fell for.

And they still didn't get close to a majority.

 

So who won? Neither of them.

 

Although in hindsight the result is a win for the electorate. The Tories have had their wings clipped and are no longer emboldened (when they are cocky enough think about bringing back foxhunting it's usually a good time to reduce their majority) and Jezza doesn't get his chance to ruin the economy and build the Ministry of Love.

 

Win. Win.

[blake]

The Tories didn't win the election in 2010 either. Just because the PM was a Tory doesn't alter that.

 

Labour DID lose, in 2010 because before the election they were the government. After the election, they weren't the government any more. Labour did lose in 2010, but that doesn't mean that the Tories won. They didn't. They had to wait until 2015 to actually win an election. Then in 2017 there was another election and like in 2010, the Tories didn't win that one either.

[L00b]

But they are forming the government ,they are the largest party, they have the most seats, they won the popular vote..

...until the next GE, which could well be in a few weeks or months' time, and could well result in the Conservatives losing still more seats.

 

That's the main loss, which goes far beyond just the Tories and their supporters: government stability stemming from a sufficient majority in the HoC.

 

May gambled it, and lost it, no ifs or buts: everybody will pay the price for it, Conservative supporters and not.

If my party had done that I wouldn't consider it a loss...

What, like the Titanic vigil who considers "calling out the iceberg before the boat hit it" a success?

 

I think that the adjective you are looking for is 'pyrrhic'

[banjodeano]

Shouldnt the title of this thread now be called....is this the end of the Tory party?

[alchresearch]

A return to the infighting again?

 

Jeremy Corbyn sacks three frontbenchers over single market vote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40451301

 

Staying in the single market is not Labour policy and Mr Corbyn had ordered his MPs to abstain - but 50 rebelled.

 

His deputy Tom Watson said he was disappointed with Mr Umunna for trying to "divide" Labour MPs with the vote.

[Guest sibon]

A return to the infighting again?

 

 

Labour MPs were probably bored of watching the Tories out-chaos them.

 

This stuff is inevitable on such an emotive topic. Corbyn had no choice but to sack them though. They will be back on the front bench by Christmas, quite possible in office too.

[I1L2T3]

Don't think Corbyn had a choice there.

 

Nobody is asking the obvious questions though: why wouldn't Corbyn want us in the single market?

[Hairyloon]

Nobody is asking the obvious questions though: why wouldn't Corbyn want us in the single market?

 

The Single Market is a neo-liberal construct and Corbyn has dreams of a socialist utopia.

 

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Don't think Corbyn had a choice there.

 

There is always a choice. The right choice here is to allow a free vote on these things.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Hairyloon

[Guest sibon]

 

There is always a choice. The right choice here is to allow a free vote on these things.

 

Not on manifesto stuff. Not from the shadow cabinet.