The end of the Labour party

[Mister M]

I thought he was treated appallingly too. But I didn't label it a conspiracy.

 

It comes down to what you call a conspiracy. If you mean the 'Establishment' (media, finance) etc. in Britain sat a round a table discussing what's in the best interests of the country, and who they can smear and play dirty tricks on then no, probably not.

 

However lots of people often laugh at conspiracies - how ridiculous and far fetched they are. For years multinationals in the construction field (Carillion, Balfour Beatty, Costain, Kier, Laing O'Rourke, Sir Robert McAlpine, Skanska UK and Vinci - and probably their supporters in the press) scoffed about the allegations of the conspiracy to blacklist left wing workers.

However, last year, the High Court ruled that more than 3,000 workers had had their rights to confidentiality, privacy, reputation and data protection infringed by the 'Consulting Association'. The Consulting Association kept a blacklist which included details of worker's political views, and trade union activities.

 

Similarly Harold Wilson, Michael Foot, and Arthur Scargill were the victims of smears that involved the press, MI5, & other shady organisations. All left wingers - but that'll be just coincidence

 

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They accept he was elected leader. They feel his leadership is poor and voted overwhelmingly against him in the confidence vote. But he won't resign. That's the point.

 

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Who mentioned David? This is about Ed.

 

I mentioned David Miliband in the context of when Ed Miliband was elected Labour leader, the press referred to David Miliband as the man who was 'stabbed in the back' by 'Red Ed' his 'disloyal' brother.

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[Santo]

It comes down to what you call a conspiracy. If you mean the 'Establishment' (media, finance) etc. in Britain sat a round a table discussing what's in the best interests of the country, and who they can smear and play dirty tricks on then no, probably not.

 

However lots of people often laugh at conspiracies - how ridiculous and far fetched they are. For years multinationals in the construction field (Carillion, Balfour Beatty, Costain, Kier, Laing O'Rourke, Sir Robert McAlpine, Skanska UK and Vinci - and probably their supporters in the press) scoffed about the allegations of the conspiracy to blacklist left wing workers.

However, last year, the High Court ruled that more than 3,000 workers had had their rights to confidentiality, privacy, reputation and data protection infringed by the 'Consulting Association'. The Consulting Association kept a blacklist which included details of worker's political views, and trade union activities.

 

Similarly Harold Wilson, Michael Foot, and Arthur Scargill were the victims of smears that involved the press, MI5, & other shady organisations. All left wingers - but that'll be just coincidence

 

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I mentioned David Miliband in the context of when Ed Miliband was elected Labour leader, the press referred to David Miliband as the man who was 'stabbed in the back' by 'Red Ed' his 'disloyal' brother.

 

Arthur Scargill? Yes, I've read the book by Seumas Milne. Robert Maxwell smeared him I would heartily agree, as did the Cook Report. Maxwell owned the Mirror which printed the smear story and was the paper most read by miners. He also had a stake in the company that broadcast/made (can't remember which) the Cook Report. Maxwell was also a Labour MP in his time. So hardly a right wing plot. The stuff about Stella Rimmington being involved was tenuous at best. I have to say it's one of the most boring and repetitive books I've ever read. The Maxwell smears were debunked quite quickly. Channel 4 did a Roger Cook to Roger Cook himself asking why he had broadcast such obvious falsehoods (he stole Union money to pay his own morgage was the more serious claim, even though he didn't have a morgage)

 

Can you provide a link to the blacklist construction story? I can't say I'm familiar with this McCarthyism. Sounds interesting.

 

What we see with Corbyn is anything negative is labelled a smear campaign/conspiracy. Sol was guilty of that when he started a thread about Traingate. Corbynistas have redefined the word smear to anything unhelpful to the cause. Someone posted an article about this trend either earlier in this thread or in Sol's.

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[steve68]

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[Ridgewalk]

They accept he was elected leader. They feel his leadership is poor and voted overwhelmingly against him in the confidence vote. But he won't resign. That's the point.

 

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Who mentioned David? This is about Ed.

 

 

You've been warned about bickering

[banjodeano]

I deleted it because the thread is not about you and your Momentum activities. It is about the Labour Party.

 

You failed to counter the whole post. You cherry picked a small part of it but provided no proof for the claim you made in response. I was asking why rabble-rousers haven't been sent to all his public meetings. You claim they have. Proof?

 

You ignored the whole point about the scrutiny placed on Miliband and as someone else has pointed out, the stick Farage gets. No-one shouts conspiracy when it's those politicians. Only Corbyn.

 

I asked you if you think the Establishment wants to ruin Corbyn do you think what you are claiming they are doing is their best effort? As conspiracy theories go, it's lame as duck.

No, you really should have left your original post, its says a lot about you...

Firstly let me apologise if i didnt reply to every question that you asked, i never do, i am that slow on the computer, that it literally takes me ages to type, also i have a life outside of SF, but i do try to answer the main questions asked of me, however awkward the question may be, and in all honesty, when i get it wrong i hold my hands up...

Right..you state "I was asking why rabble-rousers haven't been sent to all his public meetings" .....that was not the original question....the original post was.. "Sending rabble-rousers to his hustings and other public meetings", .....you have now included the word ALL.....which wasnt there before. and i repied to you original post saying "that this had already been done"...

your proof is here,

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/news-agenda-set/

it turns out the heckler was from the Blairite camp...no surprises there then.

I agree with you that Milliband and Farage faced a barrage from the media and establishment, but in my opinion it wasnt on the scale that Corbyn has faced...how many high profile people asked Corbyn to resign? Kinnock, Blair...etc etc, nearly every body past and present in the labour party asked him to resign, did that happen to Milliband.?..he even had Cameron tell him to resign in parliament....that was while his own MPs were heckling him from behind...has that ever happened to Milliband? even the political editor, of the BBC admit bias against him

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nick-robinson-tackles-anti-corbyn-bias-at-the-bbc/

did that happen to Milliband? NO

[Santo]

You've been warned about bickering

 

That's why my post wasn't bickering and hasn't been removed.

 

Feel free to answer it

 

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No, you really should have left your original post, its says a lot about you...

Firstly let me apologise if i didnt reply to every question that you asked, i never do, i am that slow on the computer, that it literally takes me ages to type, also i have a life outside of SF, but i do try to answer the main questions asked of me, however awkward the question may be, and in all honesty, when i get it wrong i hold my hands up...

Right..you state "I was asking why rabble-rousers haven't been sent to all his public meetings" .....that was not the original question....the original post was.. "Sending rabble-rousers to his hustings and other public meetings", .....you have now included the word ALL.....which wasnt there before. and i repied to you original post saying "that this had already been done"...

your proof is here,

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/news-agenda-set/

it turns out the heckler was from the Blairite camp...no surprises there then.

I agree with you that Milliband and Farage faced a barrage from the media and establishment, but in my opinion it wasnt on the scale that Corbyn has faced...how many high profile people asked Corbyn to resign? Kinnock, Blair...etc etc, nearly every body past and present in the labour party asked him to resign, did that happen to Milliband.?..he even had Cameron tell him to resign in parliament....that was while his own MPs were heckling him from behind...has that ever happened to Milliband? even the political editor, of the BBC admit bias against him

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nick-robinson-tackles-anti-corbyn-bias-at-the-bbc/

did that happen to Milliband? NO

 

Cameron was heckled by his own MPs/BoJo made digs during the EU referendum debates. Hardly unusual.

 

Your opinion is Corbyn gets it worse? That's subjective, not demonstrably proven.

 

One meeting was heckled, you have provided the story. Ok. In the context of my post I was saying how the Establishment could really go after Corbyn. Check it again. If that was something I'd been asked to do by a shadowy figure I would do it regularly. Not just one heckler, several. Every meeting. When one was chucked out I'd give the nod for a second to start up. Then a third etc. I'd try and stir up the Momentum people to fight. It would make Corbyn weary. This is the disruption I'd expect from an Establishment so worried about Corbyn that they want him gone. That's not what is happening though. You have one example. That's not enough to prove the conspiracy. It's not enough to even hint at one.

 

This isn't Watergate. It's puddle fluff.

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[banjodeano]

That's why my post wasn't bickering and hasn't been removed.

 

Feel free to answer it

 

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Cameron was heckled by his own MPs/BoJo made digs during the EU referendum debates. Hardly unusual.

 

Your opinion is Corbyn gets it worse? That's subjective, not demonstrably proven.

 

One meeting was heckled, you have provided the story. Ok. In the context of my post I was saying how the Establishment could really go after Corbyn. Check it again. If that was something I'd been asked to do I would do it regularly. Not just one heckler, several. When one was chucked out I'd tell another to go for it. I'd try and stir up the Momentum people to fight. I'd make him weary. This is the disruption I'd expect from an Establishment so worried about Corbyn that they want him gone. That's not what is happening though. You have one example. That's not enough to prove the conspiracy. It's not enough to even hint at one.

Of course it is, has any editor of the BBC ever admitted before that it is directly bias against one person?

[Santo]

Of course it is, has any editor of the BBC ever admitted before that it is directly bias against one person?

 

Banjo....first rule of a conspiracy: don't admit it. It rather damages the purpose.

 

He's not admitting to a conspiracy.

 

"One major grievance was that presenters regularly referred to the Labour leader as ‘left wing.'"

 

Really? That's a major grievance? Blimey. That's tame. He's a self described Democratic Socialist for chrissake.

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[banjodeano]

Banjo....first rule of a conspiracy: don't admit it. It rather damages the purpose.

 

He's not admitting to a conspiracy.

 

no he is not admitting to conspiracy, he is admitting to political bias

[Santo]

no he is not admitting to conspiracy, he is admitting to political bias

 

No he isn't. He is accusing the BBC of it.

 

It's a rather small article with no proof at all.