The end of the Labour party

[alchresearch]

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn wants high speed broadband for all. Wow, original idea there

 

And could he be hinting at a new national ID card scheme?

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/30/labour_jeremy_corbyn_releases_digital_democracy_manifesto/

[Guest]

In a way Jeremy Corbyn is saving the Labour party, bringing it back to something like what is supposed to be. Under Blair, Brown and Milliband it wasn't really a proper Labour, it was more like a slightly left of centre Tory party.

[biotechpete]

In a way Jeremy Corbyn is saving the Labour party, bringing it back to something like what is supposed to be. Under Blair, Brown and Milliband it wasn't really a proper Labour, it was more like a slightly left of centre Tory party.

 

That's exactly why Blair got elected. Nobody (apart from a very small band of momentum activists) wants a 'proper' Labour party. It's totally unelectable.

[BHRemovals]

This is absolute nonsense, I support Jeremy and I am not violent or extreme in any way. If Jeremy Corbyn where French, Belgian or German he would considered quite a mainstream politician but because English (not British) politics has moved so far to the right , every newspaper is portraying him as some kind of extreme left wing loony, just because he believes in the public ownership of utilities, hospitals and transport, which are still in public hands in the aforementioned countries.

[unbeliever]

In a way Jeremy Corbyn is saving the Labour party, bringing it back to something like what is supposed to be. Under Blair, Brown and Milliband it wasn't really a proper Labour, it was more like a slightly left of centre Tory party.

 

I hear that a lot.

I can just about remember Kinnock. He was rather aligned with Miliband I think. Before him, Foot who I don't remember but may have been more on a par with Corbyn, I'm not sure.

But times change. Much of what Labour of the 40 or more years ago fought for has either been achieved or shown itself a failure. We can't just transpose the ideas of the '70s into todays world and expect them to work.

The Conservative party has changed enormously from the '70s. Can the Labour party of the '70s take them on. Sometimes it seems like they try to pretend that the modern Conservative party has not changed since the '70s just so that can have something they recognise to oppose.

[Solomon1]

In a way Jeremy Corbyn is saving the Labour party, bringing it back to something like what is supposed to be

 

Agreed

 

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This is absolute nonsense, I support Jeremy and I am not violent or extreme in any way. If Jeremy Corbyn where French, Belgian or German he would considered quite a mainstream politician but because English (not British) politics has moved so far to the right , every newspaper is portraying him as some kind of extreme left wing loony, just because he believes in the public ownership of utilities, hospitals and transport, which are still in public hands in the aforementioned countries.

 

Agreed again

[unbeliever]

This is absolute nonsense, I support Jeremy and I am not violent or extreme in any way. If Jeremy Corbyn where French, Belgian or German he would considered quite a mainstream politician but because English (not British) politics has moved so far to the right , every newspaper is portraying him as some kind of extreme left wing loony, just because he believes in the public ownership of utilities, hospitals and transport, which are still in public hands in the aforementioned countries.

 

Please re-read the OP. I make it clear than only a small subset of Corbyn's supports are extreme and use unacceptable methods. I've seen nothing on this thread by anyone to suggest that you as a normal Corbyn supporter are implicated.

 

By the way in France, many of the hospitals are privately owned.

Ownership of German utilities is all over the place, and they run a multi-payer healthcare system, which is about 25% private insurance.

Perhaps you'd like to look up the facts for Belgium.

[Solomon1]

Think BHRemovals is passing comment

 

At the desperate title of this thread

 

The Labour Party is very much BEGINNING AGAIN

 

Under Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of the Labour Party

 

[alchresearch]

In a way Jeremy Corbyn is saving the Labour party, bringing it back to something like what is supposed to be.

 

But I think the problem is that kind of party no longer has a place in modern politics, I'm not sure if it ever did - they were pretty much un-electable in the 80s.

 

Someone else mentioned Kinnoch - he was another loved by the people but hated by his party. And he never came close to winning, despite years of Thatcher rule and some very bad times for Britain.

 

Like it or not, I think this country is majority "blue" and Blair creating New Labour in 2007 realigned the political spectrum and killed off old Labour, as he was very much "Tory-Lite". Didn't Scargill start up Socialist Labour at that time?

 

Corbyn may have a lot of followers, especially young ones - but they'll get fed up with the fad and move onto something else.

Edited August 30, 2016 by alchresearch

[unbeliever]

But I think the problem is that kind of party no longer has a place in modern politics, I'm not sure if it ever did - they were pretty much un-electable in the 80s.

 

Like it or not, I think this country is majority "blue" and Blair creating New Labour in 2007 realigned the political spectrum, as he was very much "Tory-Lite".

 

Corbyn may have a lot of followers, especially young ones - but they'll get fed up with the fad and move onto something else.

 

I credit Kinnock with bringing the Labour party out of the cold. He never quite managed to win, but he brought the party back from the brink. It's a real shame that the gods took John Smith before his time. I don't think Blair was needed, the real work was already done.