The end of the Labour party

[Solomon1]

But I think the problem is that kind of party no longer has a place in modern politics

 

You mean a party that cares?

 

About the most vulnerable in society?

 

Rather than lining pockets

 

Of Corporates and the Rich?

 

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[Robin-H]

But I think the problem is that kind of party no longer has a place in modern politics, I'm not sure if it ever did - they were pretty much un-electable in the 80s.

 

Someone else mentioned Kinnoch - he was another loved by the people but hated by his party. And he never came close to winning, despite years of Thatcher rule and some very bad times for Britain.

 

Like it or not, I think this country is majority "blue" and Blair creating New Labour in 2007 realigned the political spectrum and killed off old Labour, as he was very much "Tory-Lite". Didn't Scargill start up Socialist Labour at that time?

 

Corbyn may have a lot of followers, especially young ones - but they'll get fed up with the fad and move onto something else.

 

It seems to me quite similar to the huge furore surrounding Nick Clegg that happened before the 2010 election, with all that 'I agree with Nick' nonsense.

 

A huge number of Sheffield University students went absolutely mad for him - I remember when he spoke in public he was like a new messiah to some!

 

They were also riding high in the polls, but come election night, they actually performed worse than they did in 2005. He then of course got in bed with the Conservatives, went back on his tuition fee pledge, and become probably the most hated politician amongst the Sheffield youth.

 

For a lot of them I think Corbyn has just taken his place.

[Solomon1]

What a load of rubbish

[biotechpete]

It seems to me quite similar to the huge furore surrounding Nick Clegg that happened before the 2010 election, with all that 'I agree with Nick' nonsense.

 

A huge number of Sheffield University students went absolutely mad for him - I remember when he spoke in public he was like a new messiah to some!

 

They were also riding high in the polls, but come election night, they actually performed worse than they did in 2005. He then of course got in bed with the Conservatives, went back on his tuition fee pledge, and become probably the most hated politician amongst the Sheffield youth.

 

For a lot of them I think Corbyn has just taken his place.

 

Clegg mania went far beyond what Corbyn has. In 2010 Clegg's public approval rating was around +50. Corbyns is at -25. Corbyn's popularity is much, much narrower than Clegg's. That tells you something about how well Labour might do at the next election, and why Labour MPs want to get rid of him.

[Solomon1]

Clegg mania went far beyond what Corbyn has. In 2010 Clegg's public approval rating was around +50. Corbyns is at -25. Corbyn's popularity is much, much narrower than Clegg's. That tells you something about how well Labour might do at the next election, and why Labour MPs want to get rid of him.

 

Clegg is a handsome man and he dresses well

 

This had large part to play in his popularity

 

As it did with Cameron

 

Celebrity politicians!

[Robin-H]

Clegg mania went far beyond what Corbyn has. In 2010 Clegg's public approval rating was around +50. Corbyns is at -25. Corbyn's popularity is much, much narrower than Clegg's. That tells you something about how well Labour might do at the next election, and why Labour MPs want to get rid of him.

 

Generally yes, Clegg was much more mainstream. Corbyn is however popular with a large number of Sheffield University students (not that that matters a jot for his fortunes).

[unbeliever]

Generally yes, Clegg was much more mainstream. Corbyn is however popular with a large number of Sheffield University students (not that that matters a jot for his fortunes).

 

Clegg appealed to moderates. People who had no strong party affiliation but wanted change. It's not a new story in politics.

Corbyn on the other hand makes people who always support Labour support it with a great deal more enthusiasm. Some as we've seen are so enthused that they become quite excessively angry at his opponents. That may help a little in terms of turnout where one is already very strong, but it turns off moderates in massive numbers.

 

There are of course some who become emphatically enthralled with one politician and then quickly move on to another as if nothing happened.

 

I am in total agreement

 

Clegg is getting my vote in a couple of weeks

 

Indeed

 

He's a really decent guy - who wants the best for community as a whole.

 

Not just the tiny little myopic of 'Me and mine', currently so prevalent in our capitalist ridden world

 

I like him

Edited August 30, 2016 by unbeliever

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Blair and his cronies finished us off .

Now the anti antisemitism in the party has raised its ugly head.

 

Is that a typo, or do you mean the 'anti antisemitism'?

It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

[Solomon1]

It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

 

No-one believes your attempts at libel Jeff

 

Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of The Labour Party

 

Cares more and does more for humanity

 

Than you will EVER do

 

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[Jeffrey Shaw]

You'll find that accuracy largely negates accusations of defamation.

Of late, extreme left-wing entryists bringing their own agendas have caused an unpleasant tilt in the traditional Labour Party's axis. That last word was deliberately used.