The end of the Labour party

[L00b]

How do cats earn money?

They're employed by the NHS: dogs can't operate MRI scanners...but catscan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get me coat

[pacifica]

They're employed by the NHS: dogs can't operate MRI scanners...but catscan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get me coat

 

They also use cats in car exhausts to clean up the NO2.

[Solomon1]

In all scenarios, Jeremy WINS

[Padders]

good on you sol .you said it. end of

[RonJeremy]

In all scenarios, Jeremy WINS

 

Unless he doesn't have a seat. Then it will be "end of". Let's hope he manipulates the rules to get one.

[Santo]

good on you sol .you said it. end of

 

He said what? What are all the scenarios? So far as I can tell there are two; he wins or loses.

[unbeliever]

In all scenarios, Jeremy WINS

 

good on you sol .you said it. end of

 

How about this scenario:

The Labour party splits with 80% of the MP's refusing to be part of Corbyn's Labour. Jeremy doesn't care and tries to plod on as Labour leader.

The 80% of Labour MPs form a new party/grouping, let's call it Labour2 and in accordance with parliamentary rules they are defined as the official opposition until the 2020 election.

Simultaneously there is a large and expensive legal battle between Corbyn's Labour and Labour2 which consumes much of the time and resources of both, the battle is over which is the actual Labour party and owns all the facilities etc.

This battle runs on for a couple of years with both Labour and Labour2 plummeting in the polls as it does so. With no platform as leader of the opposition most people completely lose interest in what Corbyn has to say.

Eventually the court sides with Corbyn, or perhaps with Labour2, or just splitting everything down the middle, doesn't really matter. The 2020 election comes around with both Labour and Labour2 polling in the teens but each putting up a candidate in almost every constituency. The parliamentary boundaries have been redrawn and Jeremy's seat no longer exists so he ends up standing in a nearby seat where nobody knows him. Jeremy loses to a Labour2 candidate who held pretty much the same seat before the boundary review for 20 years.

Across the nation the radical Labour supporters and the moderate Labour supporters vote for different candidates and as a result each party gets only a handful of MPs. The Conservatives form the government again with a majority of over 100 and with a manifesto and agenda more radical than that of the second Thatcher government.

Gone from parliament Jeremy is reduced to shouting his 1970's communist lunacy from the street next to a guy wearing one of those "the end is nigh" boards.

 

Is this is win for Jeremy?

If so, I think you may need to re-read the dictionary entry for "win".

Or perhaps I should take it as an admission that the purpose of Jeremy and Momentum is to destroy the Labour party on behalf of the Conservatives and their supporters.

Edited September 14, 2016 by unbeliever

[alchresearch]

That's a good scenario, one I think Corbyn supporters don't imagine will happen (or burying their heads in the sand over)

 

I don't think the MPs or the non Corbyn loving Labour supporters will just roll over and let him carry on running the party his way, even if he wins the contest next week.

 

And all the time this is going on means Labour aren't being an effective opposition to keep the Tories in check.

 

And its also going to split their vote - which is already being eroded to UKIP and, in the case of Mosborough - the Lib Dems, meaning more Tory victories.

[Santo]

How about this scenario:

The Labour party splits with 80% of the MP's refusing to be part of Corbyn's Labour. Jeremy doesn't care and tries to plod on as Labour leader.

The 80% of Labour MPs form a new party/grouping, let's call it Labour2 and in accordance with parliamentary rules they are defined as the official opposition until the 2020 election.

Simultaneously there is a large and expensive legal battle between Corbyn's Labour and Labour2 which consumes much of the time and resources of both, the battle is over which is the actual Labour party and owns all the facilities etc.

This battle runs on for a couple of years with both Labour and Labour2 plummeting in the polls as it does so. With no platform as leader of the opposition most people completely lose interest in what Corbyn has to say.

Eventually the court sides with Corbyn, or perhaps with Labour2, or just splitting everything down the middle, doesn't really matter. The 2020 election comes around with both Labour and Labour2 polling in the teens but each putting up a candidate in almost every constituency. The parliamentary boundaries have been redrawn and Jeremy's seat no longer exists so he ends up standing in a nearby seat where nobody knows him. Jeremy loses to a Labour2 candidate who held pretty much the same seat before the boundary review for 20 years.

Across the nation the radical Labour supporters and the moderate Labour supporters vote for different candidates and as a result each party gets only a handful of MPs. The Conservatives form the government again with a majority of over 100 and with a manifesto and agenda more radical than that of the second Thatcher government.

Gone from parliament Jeremy is reduced to shouting his 1970's communist lunacy from the street next to a guy wearing one of those "the end is nigh" boards.

 

Is this is win for Jeremy?

If so, I think you may need to re-read the dictionary entry for "win".

Or perhaps I should take it as an admission that the purpose of Jeremy and Momentum is to destroy the Labour party on behalf of the Conservatives and their supporters.

 

I struggle to see why Smith bothered running. He is odds on to lose. Why waste time and effort with this campaign? Can the party not split now? It looks like the damage is done and the party is irreparably damaged. The Blairite and Corbynista tags will remain, Momentum want deselection of MPs that don't agree with Corbyn, despite Corbyn saying such talk is 'unhelpful' and Smith says he won't work with Corbyn if Corbyn wins.

[pacifica]

How about this scenario:

The Labour party splits with 80% of the MP's refusing to be part of Corbyn's Labour. Jeremy doesn't care and tries to plod on as Labour leader.

The 80% of Labour MPs form a new party/grouping, let's call it Labour2 and in accordance with parliamentary rules they are defined as the official opposition until the 2020 election.

Simultaneously there is a large and expensive legal battle between Corbyn's Labour and Labour2 which consumes much of the time and resources of both, the battle is over which is the actual Labour party and owns all the facilities etc.

This battle runs on for a couple of years with both Labour and Labour2 plummeting in the polls as it does so. With no platform as leader of the opposition most people completely lose interest in what Corbyn has to say.

Eventually the court sides with Corbyn, or perhaps with Labour2, or just splitting everything down the middle, doesn't really matter. The 2020 election comes around with both Labour and Labour2 polling in the teens but each putting up a candidate in almost every constituency. The parliamentary boundaries have been redrawn and Jeremy's seat no longer exists so he ends up standing in a nearby seat where nobody knows him. Jeremy loses to a Labour2 candidate who held pretty much the same seat before the boundary review for 20 years.

Across the nation the radical Labour supporters and the moderate Labour supporters vote for different candidates and as a result each party gets only a handful of MPs. The Conservatives form the government again with a majority of over 100 and with a manifesto and agenda more radical than that of the second Thatcher government.

Gone from parliament Jeremy is reduced to shouting his 1970's communist lunacy from the street next to a guy wearing one of those "the end is nigh" boards.

 

Is this is win for Jeremy?

If so, I think you may need to re-read the dictionary entry for "win".

Or perhaps I should take it as an admission that the purpose of Jeremy and Momentum is to destroy the Labour party on behalf of the Conservatives and their supporters.

 

I would think that's what corbin and many of his supporters think of as a win. Oddly enough it is also pretty much what the tory party and their supporters would call a win too. If it gives a leg up to the libdemocrats, ukip, the snp and plaid they would also look upon it as a win as well. That's pretty much the voting population except for rank and file labour voters. If the majority think it's a win then its a win. So you are wrong to question the opinion of the majority.