The end of the Labour party

[Harrystottle]

This is an issue recognised by Jeremy Corbyn, which is the very reason he stood for the leadership contest in the first place.

 

And why he won - because the leader of the Labour party is chosen by the membership, not the elite, and having seen him speak, ordinary people like me were flocking to join the Labour party just so they could vote for him. The Labour party under Corbyn is now the biggest party in Europe and growing fast.

 

I think that he is right to address it. Maybe that is one of the reasons the New Labour shower like Blair and Mandelson want him out. I know Corbyn isn't perfect but the relentless slagging he gets in the press is a bit unfair.

[Anna B]

Public meetings are all very well, but Corbyn has to get his message across to the masses, and while ever the media continues its anti-corbyn vendetta that rubbishes him, and denies him freedom to speak unedited on TV he has an uphill job.

 

The extent of bias in the media is scandalous. Once again it's the elite making the decisions on what we see and hear. We're all being told what to think.

[harvey19]

Public meetings are all very well, but Corbyn has to get his message across to the masses, and while ever the media continues its anti-corbyn vendetta that rubbishes him, and denies him freedom to speak unedited on TV he has an uphill job.

 

The extent of bias in the media is scandalous. Once again it's the elite making the decisions on what we see and hear. We're all being told what to think.

 

My post 751 above is relevant I think.

[Anna B]

My father, a lifelong Labour supporter, became completely disillusioned with Labour under Mr. Blair.

I became disillusioned after Mr. Brown referred to a concerned woman who asked him a question as a bigot when he believed he could not be heard by the public.

He clearly demonstrated the rift between the new Labour Party and their traditional supporters.

I have heard Mr. McDonnel speak on the radio this morning and he sounded very reasonable but where are the other major players in the party ?

They are there, and working hard on your behalf, but you would never know it because the media don't want you to know it. The major Corbynites are effectively being silenced, unlike the Blairites.

 

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Perhaps President Trump feels the same about the media and has decided to do something about it.

 

I think you're right. But even Trump's 'fake news' is being misinterpreted.

 

Interesting that the recent 2,000 people protest in London against Trump was mainstream news in UK, but the many protests against Cameron, the cuts, support for Corbyn etc, and often with far more than 2,000 in London and elsewhere have been totally ignored by the media. You would never know they'd happened if not for the internet.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Anna B

[alchresearch]

The Labour party under Corbyn is now the biggest party in Europe and growing fast.

 

No it isn't.

 

Labour isn’t Europe’s biggest party

https://thegerasites.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/labour-isnt-europes-biggest-party/

 

As for "growing fast", the target last year was to get 1 million. How's that going? Where's Momentum at the moment?

[Robin-H]

No it isn't.

 

Labour isn’t Europe’s biggest party

https://thegerasites.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/labour-isnt-europes-biggest-party/

 

As for "growing fast", the target last year was to get 1 million. How's that going? Where's Momentum at the moment?

 

It is a shame when people hear or read something and then just repeat it without bothering to check if what they've read/heard is actually accurate or not.

 

A quick google search would show, as the link you provided has, that Labour is far from being the largest party in Europe.

 

According to wikipedia the Justice and Development Party in Turkey has 9,399,633 members as of 2015.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey)

[Anna B]

Somebody had better tell Andrew Neil, Robert Peston, and all the other political commentators then. Oft quoted by them.

 

Turkey isn't really in Europe is it.

 

Interesting that that is the only part of my post that you focus on, and ignore the rest. As for Momentum, I wouldn't know. I had never heard of them until I read that I was supposed to be one of them.

 

Media eh....?

Edited February 27, 2017 by Anna B

[El Cid]

With the death of Gerald Kaufman will another byelection kill off Corbyn?

 

The Liberal Democrats do have a history of coming second in Kaufmans seat, but not in 2015; first and second place is up for grabs.

[tinfoilhat]

This is an issue recognised by Jeremy Corbyn, which is the very reason he stood for the leadership contest in the first place.

 

And why he won - because the leader of the Labour party is chosen by the membership, not the elite, and having seen him speak, ordinary people like me were flocking to join the Labour party just so they could vote for him. The Labour party under Corbyn is now the biggest party in Europe and growing fast.

 

So, despite growing membership, speaking to ordinary people (I have massive issues with that one but I'll move on) labour managed lose a seat it had held since its inception in 1935. You're going to blame the media for that one? Really?

 

Frighteningly, it's UKIP (who it could be argued get a far harsher deal from the media than corbyn ever has) who are trying, and succeeding in representing the working class that labour abandoned. North of the border it's the snp. They're too left for the middle classes so they're a dogs breakfast of a party representing fans of Jeremy corbyns socialist utopia and nobody else. He should have nutted up and gone with vote leave when he had the chance. He'd have won back labour heartlands, killed UKIP and stuck with his much vaunted principles.

[Anna B]

So, despite growing membership, speaking to ordinary people (I have massive issues with that one but I'll move on) labour managed lose a seat it had held since its inception in 1935. You're going to blame the media for that one? Really?

 

Frighteningly, it's UKIP (who it could be argued get a far harsher deal from the media than corbyn ever has) who are trying, and succeeding in representing the working class that labour abandoned. North of the border it's the snp. They're too left for the middle classes so they're a dogs breakfast of a party representing fans of Jeremy corbyns socialist utopia and nobody else. He should have nutted up and gone with vote leave when he had the chance. He'd have won back labour heartlands, killed UKIP and stuck with his much vaunted principles.

 

Politics is certainly all over the place at the moment. The Lib Dems have never recovered after their entanglement with the Conservatives, yet the Conservatives emerged unscathed.

 

I would disagree that Labour has abandoned the working classes, in fact I would argue it has done exactly the opposite and gone back to its Labour roots of supporting the working class.

 

I think it's politics as a whole that's become a dog's breakfast.

What with 'fake news,' media bias, stories on the internet that contradicting the mainstream media etc, nobody seems to know what to believe, and in the confusion strange things are happening.

 

One things is certain however: the super rich will continue to avoid taxes and get even richer. They are the power behind the throne, and set to become even more powerful.