The end of the Labour party

[Hairyloon]

I dispute this, The Tory lite in the party have gone out of their way to undermine their leader, no leader would look good with a party full of backstabbers, under such circumstances, and with the full media against him, i think he is doing rather well

 

I am judging him by his own actions, some of which could be blamed on his core team, but even so, who is to blame for keeping on an incompetent PA?

 

But you appear to be talking about the man, where I speak of the party. Corbyn may have made himself look like a pillock, but he hasn't, up until recently, made the party look bad IMO.

 

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He will lose catastrophically the next general election and wipe the UK Labour out as a a serious political force in the UK...

No, the Labour Party has already wiped itself out as a serious force.

 

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Where were Liz Kendall, Chukka Ummuna, Yvette Cooper, et al?

Had they not already lost to him once?

But I am very troubled that whatsisname was the best they could find...

[alchresearch]

The Tory lite in the party have gone out of their way to undermine their leader, no leader would look good with a party full of backstabbers, under such circumstances

 

And there's your problem. This portion of the party increased prior to the election win in 1997 and are responsible for Labour being popular and electable.

 

OK, things went bad towards the end (wars, ID cards, desperate spending, poor handling of Northern Rock).

 

But they, and the voting public who want this kind of party, are not just going to disappear and go away.

 

The only solution to please everyone is a split - New Labour Mk2 (probably with Burnham at the helm) and Old Labour (Corbyn).

 

But, split the Labour vote and you'll never have enough votes to beat the Tories.

 

So Labour are going to squabble and squabble ad nauseum.

[unbeliever]

And there's your problem. This portion of the party increased prior to the election win in 1997 and are responsible for Labour being popular and electable.

 

OK, things went bad towards the end (wars, ID cards, desperate spending, poor handling of Northern Rock).

 

But they, and the voting public who want this kind of party, are not just going to disappear and go away.

 

The only solution to please everyone is a split - New Labour Mk2 (probably with Burnham at the helm) and Old Labour (Corbyn).

 

But, split the Labour vote and you'll never have enough votes to beat the Tories.

 

So Labour are going to squabble and squabble ad nauseum.

 

 

i don't think he cares. I think he would support the acquisition of power by any means for his ideology.

[Hairyloon]

The only solution to please everyone is a split - New Labour Mk2 (probably with Burnham at the helm) and Old Labour (Corbyn).

 

But, split the Labour vote and you'll never have enough votes to beat the Tories...

The sensible answer is to split while things are still amicable then have an alliance.

[banjodeano]

And there's your problem. This portion of the party increased prior to the election win in 1997 and are responsible for Labour being popular and electable.

 

OK, things went bad towards the end (wars, ID cards, desperate spending, poor handling of Northern Rock).

 

But they, and the voting public who want this kind of party, are not just going to disappear and go away.

 

The only solution to please everyone is a split - New Labour Mk2 (probably with Burnham at the helm) and Old Labour (Corbyn).

 

But, split the Labour vote and you'll never have enough votes to beat the Tories.

 

So Labour are going to squabble and squabble ad nauseum.

That is probably true,and that is probably whats going to happen,

but it doesnt have to be that way, the right of the party could tow the line, and try and work with the left for the good of the party, just like the left did when they were out of favour, okay, the left put their point of view across, but they didnt ever vindictively, and deliberately target their leader of the party, and try to force him out of office the way that the right are doing at the moment, and in all seriousness, i believe they would rather see corbyn fail at a general election and have the tories in power, than have corbyn getting into number ten, i think that is how far the right of the party are from their socialist roots

 

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i don't think he cares. I think he would support the acquisition of power by any means for his ideology.

I dont even have a clue how you come to that conclusion, he believes in democracy, and he got elected twice with a huge mandate,

Lets be clear here. it was the right of the party that tried their damnedest to keep him off the ballot paper, so if anyone should be accused of wanting to get into power at any cost, then it has to be the Blairites within the party

[Jeffrey Shaw]

The sensible answer is to split while things are still amicable then have an alliance.

But things are already not very amicable. Moreover, how alliance-friendly would the relationship be between two factions that would have only recently gone their separate ways?

[unbeliever]

But things are already not very amicable. Moreover, how alliance-friendly would the relationship be between two factions that would have only recently gone their separate ways?

 

 

The plan here seem to be to divorce the OH and then start immediately exclusively dating them. That's weird. Jeremy Kyle material if ever I heard it.

[Anna B]

You are joking right? I've heard of many things about SF but a hive of Toryness is not one of them!

 

It's a criticism I've heard many times before. Although I must admit the terms used were 'right wing trolls' or some such.

 

It's the reason some of the best posters have upped and left the forum.

[alchresearch]

Assuming people voted honestly, here's the demographic of this forum's political allegiances on the last poll:

 

Conservative.........25.............14.29%

Labour..................43.............24.57%

Liberal Democrat.....19.............10.86%

UKIP.....................66..............37.71%

Green....................12..............6.86%

Other.....................6...............3.43%

 

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1395702

[Berberis]

Latest ICM poll puts the Cons 18 points ahead of Labour. I wouldnt be too surprised if there was not a snap election, so Mays government can legitimise their Brexit negotiation stance.