The end of the Labour party

[El Cid]

Ah that makes more sense than the vote being decided by a small minority of Asian voters. But Galloway? Urgh.

 

The Liberal Democrats are strong in the area, at a local level, with councilors in every ward.

[unbeliever]

May full-socialism rather than Blair's light-socialism win the day within Labour, thereby seeing to the destruction of the party.

 

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Ah that makes more sense than the vote being decided by a small minority of Asian voters. But Galloway? Urgh.

 

Is Asian (which I understood to be a person from somewhere within a circle roughly defined by Turkey, Kuwait, India, Western Russia, Japan and China and Indonesia) a euphemism for Muslim in this context?

Edited March 28, 2017 by unbeliever

[hackey lad]

good old Ken Livingstone is doing his best to keep his mate Jeremy Corbyn in the news

[banjodeano]

good old Ken Livingstone is doing his best to keep his mate Jeremy Corbyn in the news

 

But anyone with an ounce of brain can see it is just the Blairites trying their best to undermine Corbyn....then they will point to a dismal showing in the polls..it really is laughable.

[Robin-H]

But anyone with an ounce of brain can see it is just the Blairites trying their best to undermine Corbyn....then they will point to a dismal showing in the polls..it really is laughable.

 

So it's somehow the Blairite's fault that Livingstone was spouting disrespectful and damaging nonsense about the Nazis and Zionism?

[unbeliever]

So it's somehow the Blairite's fault that Livingstone was spouting disrespectful and damaging nonsense about the Nazis and Zionism?

 

It'll either be that or the media.

Everything which appears on the face of it to be a result of Labour as a whole, or their leadership in particular; being a bag of [expletive deleted] is the result of either plotting by blairites, bias in the media, or both.

[sgtkate]

May full-socialism rather than Blair's light-socialism win the day within Labour, thereby seeing to the destruction of the party.

 

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Is Asian (which I understood to be a person from somewhere within a circle roughly defined by Turkey, Kuwait, India, Western Russia, Japan and China and Indonesia) a euphemism for Muslim in this context?

 

Sorry slow response, but no it's not a euphemism, I call a spade a spade. There aren't figures that I can find for the religious breakdown in the constituency but their are for 'ethnicity'. I did comment that not all the Asians in the constituency are necessarily muslim earlier in the thread.

 

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So it's somehow the Blairite's fault that Livingstone was spouting disrespectful and damaging nonsense about the Nazis and Zionism?

 

Or he was simply stating historical facts about the Haavara agreement between the Nazis and Jews which revisionists seem to think somehow means that anyone who says it must be a supporter of Hitler. Livingstone did however misrepresent the agreement to make a stronger point. While the Haavara agreement allowed over 60,000 Jews to leave Germany and resettle in, as was then, British Controlled Palestine, it was effectively done to remove them from Germany rather than to support Zionism. At the time the Nazis did not have a majority government and had spent a lot of time and propaganda in convincing the general public that Jews were undermining their society. This deal allowed the Jews to leave an increasingly hostile country with 'most' of their possessions (some was taken as a tax basically) and the Nazis could demonstrate to floating voters that they were fixing the 'Jewish problem'. Stating Hitler was Zionist isn't total nonsense as his party did indeed put in place policies that supported it, but they were totally about removing Jews from Germany than caring about where they went afterwards.

[unbeliever]

What motivated him to state these facts?

 

In context this statement of fact might be perfectly valid. For example an academic discussion of inter-war Germany focusing on the developing attitude of the Nationalist Socialists toward the Jews.

 

It is long established that if you come out with a statement, apropos of nothing, which serves no other purpose than to attack an ethnic or other group, you can be guilty of bigotry whether the statement is true or not.

[sgtkate]

What motivated him to state these facts?

 

In context this statement of fact might be perfectly valid. For example an academic discussion of inter-war Germany focusing on the developing attitude of the Nationalist Socialists toward the Jews.

 

It is long established that if you come out with a statement, apropos of nothing, which serves no other purpose than to attack an ethnic or other group, you can be guilty of bigotry whether the statement is true or not.

 

That's entirely true. I really don't know why he said the original comments, was it in response to a question or did he just wake up and say 'Hitler was a Zionist!' I highly doubt it's the latter even if the guy is a tool.

[Obelix]

But anyone with an ounce of brain can see it is just the Blairites trying their best to undermine Corbyn....then they will point to a dismal showing in the polls..it really is laughable.

 

Oh please - anything goes wrong for Corbyn at all and you shout up and down and show it's the Blairites!

 

This is nothing to do with the Blairites, or Corbyn. This is all about Livingston being a bit of a tool and the consequences thereof.

 

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That's entirely true. I really don't know why he said the original comments, was it in response to a question or did he just wake up and say 'Hitler was a Zionist!' I highly doubt it's the latter even if the guy is a tool.

 

I think most people were a bit annoyed about him claiming that Hitler supported Zionism. As you say it's true that Hitler let a lot of Jews out and resettled them but that was entirely for his own political gain - he couldn't care less what happened after they left Germany just as long as they didn't come back and he could point and wink and say look we are kicking the Jews out.

 

Livingstone either didn't realise that, in which case he's too stupid to be trusted with a crayon, or he knows that and wants to make an anti Semitic point, which is why I think he got suspended from membership wasn't it.