The end of the Labour party

[unbeliever]

Oh please - anything goes wrong for Corbyn at all and you shout up and down and show it's the Blairites!

 

 

 

That's rather unfair. Sometimes he blames media bias.

[Flanker7]

What motivated him to state these facts?

 

In context this statement of fact might be perfectly valid. For example an academic discussion of inter-war Germany focusing on the developing attitude of the Nationalist Socialists toward the Jews.

 

It is long established that if you come out with a statement, apropos of nothing, which serves no other purpose than to attack an ethnic or other group, you can be guilty of bigotry whether the statement is true or not.

 

His motivation - Livingston was defending comments made by Naz Shah. Therefore, it wasn't 'apropos of nothing'. I've listened to the tapes thoughtfully provided by the Telegraph, among others.

 

But he was very foolish to defend him in such terms.

As a lifelong politician he should have known the effect of what he was saying and maybe he did.

As a life long self publicist he seemed delighted to be interviewed and provided good copy. What an idiot.

 

This thread is borne along by people who seem to believe in personality politics. Most party's have an overabundance of people who can be attacked and they are cheap and easy target to hit. Many get sucked in and start to defend the indefensible.

 

I vote for the party whose policies most resemble my own. But, I would start to have doubts if I had no confidence in the ability of that party to deliver.*

 

(*warning - don't misread the above paragraph as support, or opposition to, any faction of the Labour party or even any other another party.)

[unbeliever]

His motivation - Livingston was defending comments made by Naz Shah. Therefore, it wasn't 'apropos of nothing'. I've listened to the tapes thoughtfully provided by the Telegraph, among others.

 

But he was very foolish to defend him in such terms.

As a lifelong politician he should have known the effect of what he was saying and maybe he did.

As a life long self publicist he seemed delighted to be interviewed and provided good copy. What an idiot.

 

This thread is borne along by people who seem to believe in personality politics. Most party's have an overabundance of people who can be attacked and they are cheap and easy target to hit. Many get sucked in and start to defend the indefensible.

 

I vote for the party whose policies most resemble my own. But, I would start to have doubts if I had no confidence in the ability of that party to deliver.*

 

(*warning - don't misread the above paragraph as support, or opposition to, any faction of the Labour party or even any other another party.)

 

Yes. Spontaneously leaping to the defence of a colleague who has since admitted being anti-semitic and apologised. Seems apropos of very little.

Feel free to interpret this as indicative of my dislike of Socialists, particularly bigoted ones

[Jacktari]

Yes. Spontaneously leaping to the defence of a colleague who has since admitted being anti-semitic and apologised. Seems apropos of very little.

Feel free to interpret this as indicative of my dislike of Socialists, particularly bigoted ones

 

You should be supporting the Labour Party at present.

With the support Corbyn is giving the tories you will not need to call another election.

He will just order everyone to vote tory, as he did during brexit.

[unbeliever]

You should be supporting the Labour Party at present.

With the support Corbyn is giving the tories you will not need to call another election.

He will just order everyone to vote tory, as he did during brexit.

 

So that's his plan. As everybody can clearly see that Corbyn is wrong about everything, he will cunningly tell them to vote Conservative assuming that they'll automatically do the opposite.

[Jacktari]

So that's his plan. As everybody can clearly see that Corbyn is wrong about everything, he will cunningly tell them to vote Conservative assuming that they'll automatically do the opposite.

 

What is the opposite though?

You cant get a fag paper between them

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Ken Livingstone is not helping Party unity all that much either! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39499640

[Jacktari]

Ken Livingstone is not helping Party unity all that much either! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39499640

 

I would imagine he as popular as Michael Howard is with the Tories, after his one man declaration of war with Spain.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

I would imagine he as popular as Michael Howard is with the Tories, after his one man declaration of war with Spain.

There's a difference. No-one is trying to sabotage the Conservative Party (or even to oppose it, Labour's job).

[Jacktari]

There's a difference. No-one is trying to sabotage the Conservative Party (or even to oppose it, Labour's job).

 

I suppose there is a first time for everything.

No one is trying to sabotage the tory party?

 

What do you think brexit is?

It will be the end of the tory party, and the advent of something orders of magnitude viler.