Do the French have control of their own borders?

[pmurtdlanod1]

i ask the question as it seems the French seem to want the Calais jungle moving to Dover?? why if French border controls were doing their job properly there would be no migrants crossing the french border.

this is Frances problem not ours and in any case the migrants should claim Asylum in France.

we are an island are we not?

[L00b]

i ask the question as it seems the French seem to want the Calais jungle moving to Dover??

A fully predictable, and duly predicted, consequence of a Brexit vote: the Le Touquet agreement put back on the negotiating table.

 

LOL

why if French border controls were doing their job properly there would be no migrants crossing the french border.

France re-established ad hoc customs checks on its eastern borders since late Summer 2015, made permanent since the November Paris attacks. No inkling that they'll stop anytime soon, as the Gvt's emergency powers were re-conducted to May 2016, then again and again, currently to 26 February 2017 (my tea leaves of 25 February 2016, saying at the time that they'd remain on until year end at least, were correct, as it turns out).

 

They are doing their job properly. All that said, it's one long-a55 border from the Med to Calais.

 

Not that you'd appreciate that, since you're an "island" - but then, about that, see further below.

this is Frances problem not ours and in any case the migrants should claim Asylum in France.

For migrant who want to come to the UK, technically no, it's not France's problem.

 

It is still for now though, only so long as the Le Touquet agreements are in place and in force.

 

As to the claim that "migrants should claim asylum in France", 'fraid not, not even close (even though 70,000 of them do so every year, and 30,000 get chucked out every year, let it be said).

 

A myth comprehensively debunked time and again on here.

we are an island are we not?

Indeed the UK is.

 

Now, shall we discuss the tip-of-the-iceberg 27,000 illegal immigrants in the UK, in this morning's news?

[Cyclone]

Didn't we look at this recently and someone seeking asylum should do so when they reach the 1st safe country? Unless they fly in, that's never going to be the UK.

[unbeliever]

A fully predictable, and duly predicted, consequence of a Brexit vote: the Le Touquet agreement put back on the negotiating table.

 

LOL

France re-established ad hoc customs checks on its eastern borders since late Summer 2015, made permanent since the November Paris attacks. No inkling that they'll stop anytime soon, as the Gvt's emergency powers were re-conducted to May 2016, then again and again, currently to 26 February 2017 (my tea leaves of 25 February 2016, saying at the time that they'd remain on until year end at least, were correct, as it turns out).

 

They are doing their job properly. All that said, it's one long-a55 border from the Med to Calais.

 

Not that you'd appreciate that, since you're an "island" - but then, about that, see further below.

For migrant who want to come to the UK, technically no, it's not France's problem.

 

It is still for now though, only so long as the Le Touquet agreements are in place and in force.

 

As to the claim that "migrants should claim asylum in France", 'fraid not, not even close (even though 70,000 of them do so every year, and 30,000 get chucked out every year, let it be said).

 

A myth comprehensively debunked time and again on here.

Indeed the UK is.

 

Now, shall we discuss the tip-of-the-iceberg 27,000 illegal immigrants in the UK, in this morning's news?

 

Nothing to do with the relative popularity of Sarkosy and the right in France now, in the run up to the various elections then?

And I suppose unrelated to the general anti-immigration politics making headway in France.

 

The Le Touquet agreement is no more bound up with the EU than the ECHR.

[L00b]

Nothing to do with the relative popularity of Sarkosy and the right in France now, in the run up to the various elections then?

And I suppose unrelated to the general anti-immigration politics making headway in France.

Since these agreements concern solely the UK and France, and their ambit is quasi-exclusively securitising the UK border, not much of anything at all indeed.

 

Have you read them, btw?

The Le Touquet agreement is no more bound up with the EU than the ECHR.

That is correct.

 

But then, these "juxtaposed control" agreements date back to the 1991 Sangatte Protocol, and all have been drafted when the UK and France were both EU member states: the phrasing of most of their preambles and provisions, drafted in light of the fact, would render much of the measures ultra vires once the UK is out of the EU.

 

So aspects of the agreements need a rewrite, lest they become wholly unenforceable.

 

I expect that substantially the same issues will eventually spring up in respect of the CTA between the Republic of Ireland and the UK.

Edited August 30, 2016 by L00b

[Jukes]

For migrant who want to come to the UK, technically no, it's not France's problem.

You make no sense because migrants in France who want to go to America are not technically America's problem. Migrants in France are the problem of France until another country says that they will accept them.

 

Jukes x

[pmurtdlanod1]

A fully predictable, and duly predicted, consequence of a Brexit vote: the Le Touquet agreement put back on the negotiating table.

 

LOL

France re-established ad hoc customs checks on its eastern borders since late Summer 2015, made permanent since the November Paris attacks. No inkling that they'll stop anytime soon, as the Gvt's emergency powers were re-conducted to May 2016, then again and again, currently to 26 February 2017 (my tea leaves of 25 February 2016, saying at the time that they'd remain on until year end at least, were correct, as it turns out).

 

They are doing their job properly. All that said, it's one long-a55 border from the Med to Calais.

 

Not that you'd appreciate that, since you're an "island" - but then, about that, see further below.

For migrant who want to come to the UK, technically no, it's not France's problem.

 

It is still for now though, only so long as the Le Touquet agreements are in place and in force.

 

As to the claim that "migrants should claim asylum in France", 'fraid not, not even close (even though 70,000 of them do so every year, and 30,000 get chucked out every year, let it be said).

 

A myth comprehensively debunked time and again on here.

Indeed the UK is.

 

Now, shall we discuss the tip-of-the-iceberg 27,000 illegal immigrants in the UK, in this morning's news?

 

its not the UK s problem it never should be until a migrant lands here illegally then it is our problem, the only 3 ways to get here are by boat & plane or privately smuggled, well 2 of those ways can be stopped by the ferry and airlines with better and longer checks at embarkation.

so by your logic all the migrants leaving any country that say the UK is their destination then its the UKs problem????

[L00b]

You make no sense because migrants in France who want to go to America are not technically America's problem.

Ultimately, they are: if you're the end destination country, anyone who wants to come to you specifically, is ultimately your problem.

 

Whether you take care of the problem remotely with partners (like the UK has done with the EU's Dublin Regs and, still more practically, the Le Touquet agreement with France) and/or locally on your own (through relevant border patrolling/checks), the problem isn't going away regardless.

Migrants in France are the problem of France until another country says that they will accept them.

Those who get registered there, certainly. Which is most of them, but not all of them. And certainly not those in and around Calais.

 

Those who manage to successfully evade policing action time and again, cease to be once they manage to get over the UK one way or the other.

its not the UK s problem it never should be until a migrant lands here illegally then it is our problem, the only 3 ways to get here are by boat & plane or privately smuggled, well 2 of those ways can be stopped by the ferry and airlines with better and longer checks at embarkation.

Must be nice to live in your monochromatic world.

so by your logic all the migrants leaving any country that say the UK is their destination then its the UKs problem????

I suggest that you read up about 'asylum shopping'.

 

You both make it sound so easy to control migrant populations of no fixed abode and indeterminate -when not deliberately masked- (and often as not, plural-) identities

 

You might want to try and hold the UK's Police and Border Forces to the same exacting standards, before you go criticizing those of other countries

[tzijlstra]

The funny thing is that people like the OP still fall for the Calais smoke-screen, the ideal way to lay blame with another nation, a favourite pastime of the Brits recently it seems; ignoring the fact that illegal migrants are pouring in in their thousands every month. This whole notion of 'we are an island' is adorable.

 

Tell that to Murat when he decides his tourist visa is the ideal way to arrive in the UK and consequently disappear of the radar.

[tinfoilhat]

Didn't we look at this recently and someone seeking asylum should do so when they reach the 1st safe country? Unless they fly in, that's never going to be the UK.

 

Is France not a safe country?