Tories to bring back Grammar schools

[tinfoilhat]

Scotland does a little better than England; they seem to have a better life in numerous ways.

 

Albeit with shorter life expectancy and full of chest pains from their mid 40s

[Staunton]

Thank you.

 

We were talking about MPs kids getting tutored specifically.

 

My apologies if my words were unclear - I meant that aspirational parents who's children were unsuccessful in their grammar school tests would be clamouring at the door of their MPs' surgeries.

[syne]

There are other answers to this, more discipline, enforced by transfer to special schools for the most disruptive. Those schools should have the most spent on them with very low teacher pupil ratios. I (almost) don`t care how expensive they are, if they worked, in both helping the studious in the mainstream schools and dissuading the problem pupils from a life of fecklessness or even crime.

I don`t believe that would be callous or political suicide, quite the opposite.

 

A lot of effort has been put in over recent years to remove children from special, approved and support schools for reasons both well meaning and cynical and put them into mainstream classes. Closures of council help schemes, reductions in social services and suchlike won't help the matter either.

I suppose I'm living in the recent past where inclusivity was a bit of a watchword in the current climate it's moving back to survival of the fittest so mabye not political suicide.

[I1L2T3]

My apologies if my words were unclear - I meant that aspirational parents who's children were unsuccessful in their grammar school tests would be clamouring at the door of their MPs' surgeries.

 

Too easily sated aspiration conflated with a sense of entitlement means many people in our modern society have no handle on their true boundaries or potential, or that of their children.

 

Getting into debt to buy or rent a house near a good school so they can project an image that reflects their aspirations (i.e. includes their children going to a good school) is not the same as having a child who is one of the 20% who have the ability to reach grammar school.

 

So it's going to be a very hard landing, yes they won't understand what has happened and yes they will almost certainly be angry with their MPs.

 

Still they will have been put in their place won't they.

[tinfoilhat]

Too easily sated aspiration conflated with a sense of entitlement means many people in our modern society have no handle on their true boundaries or potential, or that of their children.

 

Getting into debt to buy or rent a house near a good school so they can project an image that reflects their aspirations (i.e. includes their children going to a good school) is not the same as having a child who is one of the 20% who have the ability to reach grammar school.

 

So it's going to be a very hard landing, yes they won't understand what has happened and yes they will almost certainly be angry with their MPs.

 

Still they will have been put in their place won't they.

 

So keep feeding the dream that a 2:2 in media studies from Derby uni (which as far as I understand had its polytechnic status revoked just before it became Derby university) is the ticket to an awesome job and that all starts with getting a house they can't afford near a good school? Surely a dose of stone cold reality might do a bit of good considering.

[Justin Smith]

A lot of effort has been put in over recent years to remove children from special, approved and support schools for reasons both well meaning and cynical and put them into mainstream classes. Closures of council help schemes, reductions in social services and suchlike won't help the matter either.

I suppose I'm living in the recent past where inclusivity was a bit of a watchword in the current climate it's moving back to survival of the fittest so mabye not political suicide.

 

I wouldn`t describe moving problem kids into an environment that`s better for them and also better for the studious they leave behind as anything negative at all. In fact it would be far more expensive, initially, but the long term benefits* for the miscreants, the studious and society as a whole could be great. How much does it cost to lock up an offender ? How much misery does the average burglar cause ?

 

* This is assuming sufficient money was actually spent on the special classes. As I said before, I almost don`t care how much it costs if it works, give them a pupil teacher ratio as low as 2 to 1 if that`s what it takes.

[Staunton]

So it's going to be a very hard landing, yes they won't understand what has happened and yes they will almost certainly be angry with their MPs.

 

Still they will have been put in their place won't they.

 

They will indeed. And as you imply they won't like it at all! And pretty soon such disappointment is likely to manifest in rising demands for the abolishing of grammar schools.

[Justin Smith]

Too easily sated aspiration conflated with a sense of entitlement means many people in our modern society have no handle on their true boundaries or potential, or that of their children.

 

Getting into debt to buy or rent a house near a good school so they can project an image that reflects their aspirations (i.e. includes their children going to a good school) is not the same as having a child who is one of the 20% who have the ability to reach grammar school.

 

So it's going to be a very hard landing, yes they won't understand what has happened and yes they will almost certainly be angry with their MPs.

 

Still they will have been put in their place won't they.

 

Having lost 50 to 100K on their house........

[I1L2T3]

So keep feeding the dream that a 2:2 in media studies from Derby uni (which as far as I understand had its polytechnic status revoked just before it became Derby university) is the ticket to an awesome job and that all starts with getting a house they can't afford near a good school? Surely a dose of stone cold reality might do a bit of good considering.

 

Your post has triggered so many thoughts in my head about how broken and financialised the whole process is that I don't know where to begin.

 

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Having lost 50 to 100K on their house........

 

Yes most likely.

 

Still they will want grammar schools because they will not understand (until it's too late) that not all of their kids have the necessary ability.

 

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Private schools expecting to benefit from the changes:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/10/grammar-schools-middle-class-boost-private-education

 

More debt. More people moaning about their taxes because they pay for their own kids education. Yay!!

Edited September 10, 2016 by I1L2T3

[El Cid]

Having lost 50 to 100K on their house........

 

I am surprised no one has started a thread about the expansion of faith schools, that could have more negative effects than grammar schools.

Maybe reason will prevail, education becoming a hot potato takes the heat off leaving the EU.