Tories to bring back Grammar schools

[Santo]

Here's what I wrote way back at Post 130.

 

Thanks to unbeliever, syne and the_bloke we have confirmation of this claim.

 

Would you like some ketchup for that massive chip on your shoulder?

[Staunton]

Would you like some ketchup for that massive chip on your shoulder?

 

And so the name-calling and abuse begins again.

[Santo]

And so the name-calling and abuse begins again.

 

Name calling? Abuse? Overreaction much!? How pitiful. You need to get used to the idea that cleverer people than you will likely be more successful in life. We don't want a country of equally bland people all going to generically average schools. Your world view is not even Communist, it's like reverse eugenics.

 

Mhmmmm chips. I've made myself hungry.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Santo

[Staunton]

Would you like some ketchup for that massive chip on your shoulder?

 

It's very important to notice how those who support neoliberalism employ misdirection, distraction and water-muddying techniques in order to diminish any criticism of their ideologically motivated policies. And, when all else fails, they resort to abuse.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Staunton

[Santo]

It's very important to notice how those who support neoliberalism employ misdirection, distraction and water-muddying techniques in order to diminish any criticism of their ideologically motivated policies. And, when all else fails, they resort to abuse.

 

Who are you trying to convince with this drivel? You have no cult following your every word on this forum you know. You are talking to yourself. You are a preacher of the inane and your Church is empty.

 

And your passive voice thing is just weird. Plain weird. There; I said it.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Santo

[Staunton]

Yes. Gainsborough (I cite it as an example as I used to live there) has a grammar school, where 1.5% of 1100 pupils have free school meals, in contrast the academy with 1200 pupils has 25% of pupils on free school meals.* The schools are 2 miles apart.

 

* Source; OFSTED reports

 

Here is a report from 2014 on Gainsborough's flagship Trent Valley Academy, outlining the sleaze that lurks behind the academy system in Gainsborough.

 

A new sponsor is being sought for a £33 million struggling secondary school in Gainsborough. Trent Valley Academy is currently managed by the E-ACT academies chain. But, following a series of poor Ofsted results, the Government has intervened and decided that a new sponsor is needed.

 

It is one of 10 E-ACT academies from a total of 34 which the London-based educational trust has decided it has to shed. Sited on a purpose-built campus on Sweyn Lane off Corringham Road in the town, Trent Valley Academy opened in September 2009. It was heralded as a flagship academy, with state-of-the-art facilities including a fully equipped media production centre.

 

Now it is among nearly a third of E-ACT’s schools seeking new sponsors amid concerns that they do not meet education standards. The centre of a critical report into financial mismanagement last year, E-ACT has also seen two board members resign.

 

http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/education-charity-looking-new-sponsor/story-20699981-detail/story.html

 

Excluded by Queen Elizabeth's, the local Grammar School, and then failed by the academy system - yet again ordinary children are disadvantaged by educational dogma.

[syne]

It's very important to notice how those who support neoliberalism employ misdirection, distraction and water-muddying techniques in order to diminish any criticism of their ideologically motivated policies. And, when all else fails, they resort to abuse.

 

 

 

I've just read a potted history of grammar schools, there not neo liberal, nor am I.

The point you seem to be hankering after- that fundamentally we're all the same and as such equal in some way- just isn't so.

We're equal in a base species kind of way but that's it, we are a pretty much result of how keen our ancestors were to thrive. And lucky enough to do so.

The sort of education we now have stems from religion and Money, it's been filtered through so much 'socialism' that it's mandatory. Made mandatory by people who'd you'd no doubt label as neocons if they were of your era, 'cos it was for their own benefit to educate the workforce.

 

The education of children according to privilege or whatever is not worse than the ability to buy anything else more expensive than someone else.

Disability etc aside it's entirely your own (or your parents,ancestors)fault if your children don't get a good or the best education. You have to strive and work for it in every sense of the word.

The excuses for not educating your kids these days, and I don't mean schooling here, basically boil down to can't be arsed or...

Until recently every book in the world was available via the local library, now there's the Internet.

saying you can't get access to the best education because of someone else -neoliberals-is just a cop out. It's an individual's responsibility to educate their children, leaving it to the state and what ever centuries old system remains only then to complain it's not fair is a fine example of being complacent really.

If your child's education isn't the best then make it so, buy a book, move house, get a second, third job and go private, hire tutors, raise an army take down the queen so on so forth.

But expecting equality across the board to materialise any time soon, nah. that's laughable.

[I1L2T3]

I've just read a potted history of grammar schools, there not neo liberal, nor am I.

The point you seem to be hankering after- that fundamentally we're all the same and as such equal in some way- just isn't so.

We're equal in a base species kind of way but that's it, we are a pretty much result of how keen our ancestors were to thrive. And lucky enough to do so.

The sort of education we now have stems from religion and Money, it's been filtered through so much 'socialism' that it's mandatory. Made mandatory by people who'd you'd no doubt label as neocons if they were of your era, 'cos it was for their own benefit to educate the workforce.

 

The education of children according to privilege or whatever is not worse than the ability to buy anything else more expensive than someone else.

Disability etc aside it's entirely your own (or your parents,ancestors)fault if your children don't get a good or the best education. You have to strive and work for it in every sense of the word.

The excuses for not educating your kids these days, and I don't mean schooling here, basically boil down to can't be arsed or...

Until recently every book in the world was available via the local library, now there's the Internet.

saying you can't get access to the best education because of someone else -neoliberals-is just a cop out. It's an individual's responsibility to educate their children, leaving it to the state and what ever centuries old system remains only then to complain it's not fair is a fine example of being complacent really.

If your child's education isn't the best then make it so, buy a book, move house, get a second, third job and go private, hire tutors, raise an army take down the queen so on so forth.

But expecting equality across the board to materialise any time soon, nah. that's laughable.

 

You're either trolling or daft as a brush. Not sure which.

 

But taken to its logical conclusion your 'policy' would result in high levels of illiteracy, and fundamentally what you are arguing is that its OK for children, no matter what their natural ability, to be dependent on their own parents experience and wealth for the quality of the education they receive. Remember that children don't pick the family they are born into or join.

[syne]

Not really, what I'm saying is that to rely on a state that is clearly not a true communist style state but a pseudo democratic one and then complain about it is patently stupid.

The're your kids, take responsibility, actual responsibility where you do something about their education other than whine.

 

What policy?

[El Cid]

They're selecting on ability. To a significant, but limited extent, ability is inherited. Ability is correlated with earnings. I don't see the problem.

 

Ability can also be limited by earnings.

 

My daughter(16) is very bright; she has just chosen to go to a selective 6th form college. Sometimes selection is okay.

 

It is some distance away from where she lives, which is what will limit the educational ability of younger children. Richer parents will have more disposable income to ensure that their child gets to the best available school.

 

Poorer families will not get free transport, as free transport has been much reduced in the cuts.