crookedspire Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 The longer opening hours arent about enabling people to drink for longer, people work lots of different shifts/hours now, the longer opening hours mean people doing for example a 2-10 could still go for a few drinks. I get that point but do we need bars to open as long as 6am ? ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:50 ---------- It was about evening out the binge drinking so people didnt do the last order rush and you didnt have hundreds/ thousands on the street at the same time. Short memory if you cnat remember the chaos at chucking out time. https://gallery.mailchimp.com/708e119fa74cd33e6a28f949a/files/Briefing_1505_Drinking_fast_and_slow_web.pdf So the result seems to be that violent crime and alsohol related violent crime has fallen by 53% in the last ten years. It was falling anyway because people drink less. later hours have not caused an increase in such crime. Its probably smoothed out the time of any trouble more evenly rather than focusing on certain hours. Figures can be made made up plus not all crimes are reported . ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:52 ---------- How will this prove that it's worse than it was in the past? ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 07:27 ---------- You'll notice that on a Friday (for example) many people work, and then want dinner. So the drinking and socialising can't start until something like 1900. ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 07:28 ---------- And this was my point about why an anecdote or series of anecdotes is a very poor basis for an argument. The real facts show the complete opposite to what the OP suggested. Your world must be perfect mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I get that point but do we need bars to open as long as 6am ? If there's demand, yes. Why should there be an arbitrarily set time things should close? We live in a 24 hour society now. The problem isn't the venue. It isn't there opening hours. Its the behavior of people using them that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I get that point but do we need bars to open as long as 6am ? ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:50 ---------- Figures can be made made up plus not all crimes are reported . ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:52 ---------- Your world must be perfect mate. Nobody claimed that. This is the kind of response I've come to expect when you point out that someone's argument lacks any real evidence to support it. Facetious, question statistics and fall back to a different question "do we need". Just accept that a few anecdotes are not at all representative or evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookedspire Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 Nobody claimed that. This is the kind of response I've come to expect when you point out that someone's argument lacks any real evidence to support it. Facetious, question statistics and fall back to a different question "do we need". Just accept that a few anecdotes are not at all representative or evidence. Really? Anecdotes help build up the background to the issue , evidence theirs plenty to be had weather from personal experience or official sources, facetious , a man has died in tragic way plus there has been others I would hardly call that ' facetious , So now on this forum we must treat each thread as a trail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I get that point but do we need bars to open as long as 6am ? ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:50 ---------- Figures can be made made up plus not all crimes are reported . ---------- Post added 04-10-2016 at 08:52 ---------- Your world must be perfect mate. Except you need to be able to identify which is genuine research and what was made up by a DN journalist. Fairly confident you didnt even look at the data, but just dimsissed it. Police crime figures are always problematic, but staitsicians and researchers who are trained and do the job for a living make allowances for unreported crimes. This is all part of studying statitsics as well as criminology. Have you studied either? Serious crimes such as murder are reported in 99.99% of cases. As violent crime is falling in general and there is no indicatiing there has been any rise in crime due to the Licencing Act 2003, then am not seeing any case or any evidence provided by you. Very few pubs stay open till early hours because its not profitable. ---------- Post added 05-10-2016 at 10:22 ---------- Really? Anecdotes help build up the background to the issue , evidence their's plenty to be had weather from personal experience or official sources, facetious , a man has died in tragic way plus there has been others I would hardly call that ' facetious , So now on this forum we must treat each thread as a trail? Anecdotes are the weakest form of very questionable evidence as they lack any consistency or verification. Its popular on Sheffield forum to use anecdotal evidence as truth when in fact it is very weak and unreliable due to its limited perspective and lack of objectivity. If you are going to make statements and claims then you should be able to back it up with logic , reason and evidence. Edited October 5, 2016 by 999tigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Really? Anecdotes help build up the background to the issue , evidence theirs plenty to be had weather from personal experience or official sources, facetious , a man has died in tragic way plus there has been others I would hardly call that ' facetious , So now on this forum we must treat each thread as a trail? Anecdotes are basically useless in trying to prove a point. They aren't data, they aren't information and they most definitely don't prove a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 anecdote noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay. :hihi::hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookedspire Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 Anecdotes are basically useless in trying to prove a point. They aren't data, they aren't information and they most definitely don't prove a pattern. Never mind Cyclone just keep making your cycling videos on YouTube I'm just subscribed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I haven't claimed that they prove any general points about cycling. In each case they are only proof of the behaviour on that video, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now