Lex Luthor Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 15 hours ago, kidley said: i wont comment on the link below onley to say, i am one of the billions of people who have quit smoking at the fifth attempt and i was a heavy smoker, 50 a day bloke https://vapingdaily.com/quitting-effects/nicotine-withdrawal-symptoms-timeline/ Wow! Well done, kidley! Your lungs will be thanking you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthor Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 17 hours ago, kidley said: There is certainly more deaths from overdosing than there ever was, deaths from o.d is at record levels. whether there is more people using drugs or not is irrelevant when there is more people overdosing themselves to death. Austerity is responsible for 130,000+ deaths, and the increase in suicides by drug overdose, most common, by paracetamol, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Lex Luthor said: Austerity is responsible for 130,000+ deaths, yeah, ok Quote Ultimately, we cannot say — based on the evidence in this study — that austerity policies caused 120,000 extra deaths. FactCheck: Did austerity kill 120,000 people? https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthor Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, alchresearch said: yeah, ok FactCheck: Did austerity kill 120,000 people? https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people I'm not going to argue with you about how many thousands because, for me, one life gone is too many, never mind about thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 25/01/2020 at 16:24, Halibut said: Why do you see that as a problem? The cost alone would make it difficult to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, lottiecass said: The cost alone would make it difficult to work. Pharmaceutically pure heroin is very cheap. The cost of the service would be a great deal cheaper than all the expenses of the crime and policing costs associated with addicts having to fund their own addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Halibut said: Pharmaceutically pure heroin is very cheap. The cost of the service would be a great deal cheaper than all the expenses of the crime and policing costs associated with addicts having to fund their own addiction. So you think all junkies want to be clean? if you do you are mistaken. Bodies will be needed for this to work, the only people to benefit from this scheme will be addicts and the bodies that run the scheme. Why is it that the heroin substitute programme hasn't worked? its free and easy to obtain. So you think that giving the real thing will make the drug dealers world collapse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, lottiecass said: Quote So you think all junkies want to be clean? No, but if they have the opportunity to get clean gear on prescription, they'll take it and not need to steal to feed their addiction. Quote Bodies will be needed for this to work, the only people to benefit from this scheme will be addicts and the bodies that run the scheme. No again - society as a whole benefits; less crime, addicts that are no longer criminals and able to make a positive contribution. Quote Why is it that the heroin substitute programme hasn't worked? its free and easy to obtain. One of the reasons is that methadone is really quite unpleasant compared to heroin and doesn't give the user a high. And it's definitely not always easy to obtain. Quote So you think that giving the real thing will make the drug dealers world collapse? Common sense suggests that if the users can get clean gear on prescription, they won't want to get dirty gear from dealers does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Halibut said: Common sense tells me that prescribed heroin = more addicts that will be less liable to come off it. This is my point, for how long will an addict be prescribed heroin? there would have to be a limit, then what happens? back to the dealer it would seem so little change there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 hours ago, lottiecass said: Common sense tells me that prescribed heroin = more addicts that will be less liable to come off it. This is my point, for how long will an addict be prescribed heroin? there would have to be a limit, then what happens? back to the dealer it would seem so little change there. Even when heroin was available on script (look it up) of course you couldn't just go to a GP and say 'I'd like some heroin' - you have to be an addict in the first place. How long? Until they want to come off. Why would there have to be a limit? Do we set an arbitary time limit on scripts for insulin or antidepressants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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