Beggars, homeless, street drinkers & drug users in Sheffield!

[lesserthan1]

Who are you kidding?

 

If that were true, we wouldn't have so many struggling to survive, or on the street.

 

They aren't struggling to survive, they're drunk or high all of the time. In fact I'd dare say half of them spend more money on that than I earn.

 

No sympathy. Bleeding heart approach hasn't worked at a government level, why don't all these people who want to help invite a drunk aggro tramp into their house to stay with them and their kids? See if it works out that way instead?

 

Stop funding these people, stop their benefits till they're back on the hunt for work. If they can't work, get them in a secure unit or something, at least till they're off the drugs.

[Anna B]

For mentally ill patients who need 1+1 (intensive care) they still get it

 

Anna B, where do you get your information from?

 

having thought abit more about your comments, i do not know any what delivers a 1+1 care program in the mental health, or ever did.

 

As I said before, I used to work at Middlewood hospital. The old mental hospitals didn't provide 1 to 1 care (except for isolation and consultations with the psychiatrist.) But patients at least they had a guaranteed roof over their head, were clothed and fed, and kept safe from harm.

 

Which is more than can be said for mental patients these days.

 

They weren't ideal places, but they were better than nothing, which is what they get now.

 

Ecconoob: I was talking specifically about those with mental illness who are on the streets. You seem to have a great deal of faith in 'services.' Do you deal with mentally ill people? When you deal with these people as I do on an almost daily basis, you will find that many of them either no longer exist or are so overwhelmed there are shortages and waiting lists. There is system now called 'signposting' which mainly consists of pointing people from one non-existant service to another until they give up.

 

What do you think 'cuts' actually mean on the ground? Why do you think suicide is the biggest killer of men age 18 - 45?

Edited July 21, 2018 by Anna B

[Cyclone]

They probably think (myself included) that there is no need to be homeless, there is help out there.. however some prefer to remain homeless and won"t seek help..

 

The reasons for this have been explained in this thread multiple times already and are available if you simply use google.

Which suggests to me that any lack of understanding is deliberate.

 

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Have you totally ignored other posters on this thread.

 

Firstly there are not "so many" struggling to survive and on the streets. There are a few genuine people who quite rightly deserve help

 

"More than 300,000 people in Britain – equivalent to one in every 200 – are officially recorded as homeless or living in inadequate homes, according to figures released by the charity Shelter.7 Nov 2017"

 

This is a huge increase over the last decade.

 

As others have pointed out for the remainder of them, they do not have ANY reason to be there. They are fake. They are scammers. They are there due to their own self-inflicted reasons and need to take responsibility for themselves.

"Self inflicted" doesn't somehow make someone magically not homeless.

Secondly, just because YOU say there is no help available doesn't mean its fact. The most vulnerable and those genuinely in priority need DO get care. Services exist all over the city and there are entire NHS hospital units dedicated to it.

"Local councils blame Tory cuts for dramatic surge in homelessness"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-cuts-homelessness-link-blame-government-austerity-2010-housing-homes-welfare-benefit-cuts-a7957701.html

The range of conditions and severity which is conveniently lumped under the title "mental health" is huge.

I wonder if a total lack of empathy can be lumped under 'mental health issue'?

[WarPig]

I know as fact that many of these begging of a night time on West Street actually live around the corner on one of the side roads. They beg until they have a certain amount of cash and then go home. Some of these (but not all) will spend their cash on spice, drugs or alcohol meaning they have to come out begging again the following might. But some just beg on the weekend nights as thats where the big money is. The can get £100 surprisingly quickly, and they laugh about it when they tell me.

 

I don't consider these people to be homeless at all. And not all beggars are there due to no fault of their own, many are there have done many wrongdoings in their life, the type that the victim would want them sent to prison for. Yet society chooses to sympathise with them regardless.

[Cyclone]

I haven't claimed that every person begging is homeless, only that some are.

I'm sure that as you say a lot are begging because it's an easy way to get money. How to spot the difference between the two groups, I don't really know.

[Anna B]

I haven't claimed that every person begging is homeless, only that some are.

I'm sure that as you say a lot are begging because it's an easy way to get money. How to spot the difference between the two groups, I don't really know.

 

Try going round town at night when it's deserted, and you'll find them. However they find places to 'hide' to avoid being moved on by police, so I wouldn't recommend going looking alone.

 

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I haven't claimed that every person begging is homeless, only that some are.

I'm sure that as you say a lot are begging because it's an easy way to get money. How to spot the difference between the two groups, I don't really know.

 

Try going round town at night when it's deserted, and you'll find them. However they find places to 'hide' to avoid being moved on by police, so I wouldn't recommend going looking alone.

 

And don't expect a warm welcome.

[pattricia]

I haven't claimed that every person begging is homeless, only that some are.

I'm sure that as you say a lot are begging because it's an easy way to get money. How to spot the difference between the two groups, I don't really know.

 

That’s the problem isn’t it ? Sorting the genuine homeless out from the scammers .

[jayb78]

So I saw a beggar being robbed of his change last week by two people who found it hilarious near the lyceum theatre I gave him some money to account what had been stolen. The poor fella said this was a regular occurrence and that people on the street at night were regularly ****** upon.

[woodmally]

I haven't claimed that every person begging is homeless, only that some are.

I'm sure that as you say a lot are begging because it's an easy way to get money. How to spot the difference between the two groups, I don't really know.

 

Simple way to identify and differentiate. Don't give money but offer what they want in the way of needs ie food drink etc. If they are genuine then they will take it with open arms. If not they will probably swear and curse at you but at least you will know who the frauds are.

[Anna B]

Simple way to identify and differentiate. Don't give money but offer what they want in the way of needs ie food drink etc. If they are genuine then they will take it with open arms. If not they will probably swear and curse at you but at least you will know who the frauds are.

 

OK, but besides food, homeless people need other essentials that cost money, like toiletries, bus fare, socks and pants, so not always an infallible indicator.