War in Syria - here we go again

[Harrystottle]

We are getting drawn into this, aren't we? Despite the fact that parliament voted against it in 2013.

 

The news is just propagandising all the time. Tearful children, bombed buildings, the evil, evil Russians confronted by "moderate" rebels - this is all rubbish.

 

Someone, somewhere has decided to change the regime in Syria. Just as they decided to change the regime in Iraq and Libya - and look at the state those two countries are now in.

 

What the west (probably backing up our "allies" the Saudis) is doing in the middle east is shameful. Absolutely shameful.

 

What did Syria ever do to us? Or Iraq, or Libya? What gives us the right to go into functioning nation states, destroy them and leave them in a shattered, ungovernable mess? Libya and Iraq were once rich - where's the money now? What will happen to Syria's assets when and if Assad is overthrown?

 

Our politicians are trying to drag us into another completely unjustifiable war - see Boris Johnson's comments today - and the media is going along with it.

[Robin-H]

We are getting drawn into this, aren't we? Despite the fact that parliament voted against it in 2013.

 

The news is just propagandising all the time. Tearful children, bombed buildings, the evil, evil Russians confronted by "moderate" rebels - this is all rubbish.

 

Someone, somewhere has decided to change the regime in Syria. Just as they decided to change the regime in Iraq and Libya - and look at the state those two countries are now in.

 

What the west (probably backing up our "allies" the Saudis) is doing in the middle east is shameful. Absolutely shameful.

 

What did Syria ever do to us? Or Iraq, or Libya? What gives us the right to go into functioning nation states, destroy them and leave them in a shattered, ungovernable mess? Libya and Iraq were once rich - where's the money now? What will happen to Syria's assets when and if Assad is overthrown?

 

Our politicians are trying to drag us into another completely unjustifiable war - see Boris Johnson's comments today - and the media is going along with it.

 

You don't think there any tearful children or bombed buildings in Syria? Assuming you do, then how is that rubbish?

[Harrystottle]

There are indeed, but apparently it is only Assad and Putin who are causing them. I know this because the BBC assures me that the "moderates" who oppose them only fire "nice" bullets and drop "appropriate" bombs.

 

Like the other day. The Americans "accidentally" bombed someone they shouldn't have, whilst the Russians "deliberately targeted" an aid convoy.

[mafya]

You don't think there any tearful children or bombed buildings in Syria? Assuming you do, then how is that rubbish?

 

The western backed so called moderate rebels are to blame, Isis had free reign until Russia got involved.

The west is to blame......

[tinfoilhat]

We are getting drawn into this, aren't we? Despite the fact that parliament voted against it in 2013.

 

The news is just propagandising all the time. Tearful children, bombed buildings, the evil, evil Russians confronted by "moderate" rebels - this is all rubbish.

 

Someone, somewhere has decided to change the regime in Syria. Just as they decided to change the regime in Iraq and Libya - and look at the state those two countries are now in.

 

What the west (probably backing up our "allies" the Saudis) is doing in the middle east is shameful. Absolutely shameful.

 

What did Syria ever do to us? Or Iraq, or Libya? What gives us the right to go into functioning nation states, destroy them and leave them in a shattered, ungovernable mess? Libya and Iraq were once rich - where's the money now? What will happen to Syria's assets when and if Assad is overthrown?

 

Our politicians are trying to drag us into another completely unjustifiable war - see Boris Johnson's comments today - and the media is going along with it.

 

So just let them get on with and kill each other then (and take in the thousands of resulted refugees of course).

 

I'm not sure it's fair to compare Iraq and Libya. Iraq was bubbling away in the corner and needed zero intervention from us until they attacked someone or saddam died. Libyan civil war was up and running with plenty of people begging the west for action, well before we intervened. Should we have left them to it?

 

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The western backed so called moderate rebels are to blame, Isis had free reign until Russia got involved.

The west is to blame......

 

I think you've tried to sum up a very complicated and volatile situation and failed

[Harrystottle]

Yes, I would have left them to it. You only have to look at Iraq and Libya (I accidentally just typed Lydia then!) before the invasions and after to see that. As I say, what right have we got to go in there helping to overthrow their governments, getting our soldiers killed in the process and all for what?

[L00b]

I'm not sure it's fair to compare Iraq and Libya.

I think it is.

 

Plenty of oil in Iraq and equally plenty of natural gas in Lybia. But Russia's full of both up to its eyeballs.

 

Sod all in Syria, but it's home to the Russian Navy's only Med harbour.

 

Afghan was the great leveller between Russia and the West, so gets disqualified from the batch comparison.

 

So just let the Russians at their own Iraq, and stop the willy-waving with Putin. Put up the brick wall at the Bosphorus, and let him and Erdolf deal with the refugees (you do realise of course, that this whole refugee crisis has Putin's fingerprints all over it?)

 

/cynical end

[geared]

After the mess that was Libya we should steer well clear.

 

Drop a few bombs on IS, but it's not our job to decide who will run the country.

[NigelFargate]

So just let them get on with and kill each other then (and take in the thousands of resulted refugees of course).

 

I'm not sure it's fair to compare Iraq and Libya. Iraq was bubbling away in the corner and needed zero intervention from us until they attacked someone or saddam died. Libyan civil war was up and running with plenty of people begging the west for action, well before we intervened. Should we have left them to it?

 

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I think you've tried to sum up a very complicated and volatile situation and failed

 

Yes, the situation is 'complicated and volatile', but Western intervention has only made things worse and is likely to continue to do so. Those clamouring for a 'no fly zone' in Syria (effectively meaning a 'we fly but you don't zone') are in many cases the same people who advocated interventions in Iraq and Libya, with disastrous results. The best way forward is by seeking dialogue with Russia rather than being guided by the hotel guerrillas in the Syrian opposition or by the laptop bombadiers in the Western media. Otherwise, the tragic mistake of encouraging armed resistance against the Syrian regime in 2011, rather than exerting pressure through non-violent means, will be compounded by more and more bloodshed.

[chalga]

We are getting drawn into this, aren't we? Despite the fact that parliament voted against it in 2013.

 

The news is just propagandising all the time. Tearful children, bombed buildings, the evil, evil Russians confronted by "moderate" rebels - this is all rubbish.

 

Someone, somewhere has decided to change the regime in Syria. Just as they decided to change the regime in Iraq and Libya - and look at the state those two countries are now in.

 

What the west (probably backing up our "allies" the Saudis) is doing in the middle east is shameful. Absolutely shameful.

 

What did Syria ever do to us? Or Iraq, or Libya? What gives us the right to go into functioning nation states, destroy them and leave them in a shattered, ungovernable mess? Libya and Iraq were once rich - where's the money now? What will happen to Syria's assets when and if Assad is overthrown?

 

Our politicians are trying to drag us into another completely unjustifiable war - see Boris Johnson's comments today - and the media is going along with it.

 

Exactly.........there is no reason for anybody else to sink as low as Putin and the Russians or Assad............can Putin get any lower anyway?

Putin has decided that innocents are legitimate targets in his venting at the sanctions put on Russia,and a convenient way of getting back at the West for said sanctions,drawing in the West so that the Russians ludicrous Kremlinspeak on what anybody else is doing there can be justified is a bonus for them.